2017 Winter Meetings Predictions, Rumors, And Actual Happenings
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Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
Maybe Dansby
MadduxFanII
Swallowed by Mark Bowman
Prep for a boring off-season, it seems.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Sound like it.
Oklahomabrave
Anytime Now Frankie...
Nothing he said is really indicative of anything other than he is acknowledging our defense sucks.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
insert and between enough and that
msstate7
Well-known member
I took it to mean he wants to see some of our assets before trying to acquire new assets.
So that’s going to be the excuse for a $20M-$30M drop in payroll for 2018? Should we expect a payroll of $150M-$160M in 2019 to compensate?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
go back and reread the last sentence of the tweet
You’re probably right. I’m likely over paranoid after the Braves were just gutted.
msstate7
Well-known member
Who besides us potentially gets MM?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
the royals will probably make him an offer
Yes but is it an offer he can’t refuse?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
ha...just remember who my favorite Corleone is
Connie of course.
Mutts, but after reading Alderson's comments they don't appear inclined to spend very much either.
Will be interesting to see what all this does for Frazier's market - if someone steps up and offers him a "fair deal", it could really back Borass into a corner for once - the teams potentially likely to play on either (if you take the Giants out of the mix) include...
1.) Angels
2.) Us
3.) Mutts
4.) KC
5.) Cardinals (maybe)
If Frazier happens to sign early (first), it's probably going to pretty severely limit Moose's market since the Cardinals, Royals, and Mutts certainly aren't likely going to offer him anything close to what Borass' asking price is. If the Angels somehow sign Frazier first, is it really likely to see any of the remaining teams offering him more than 4 years/$60 million and giving up a pick or picks? The Royals might be able to afford that, but they've made no secret that Hosmer's their first priority - they're not likely to make that kind of offer until Hosmer's off the board.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I wonder if a rebuilding team would ever sign a FA whose value has been depressed by the QO with the idea to just turn around and trade him.
So, for instance, the Braves are one of 16 revenue sharing teams and didn't exceed the luxury tax threshold so they would give up their third highest pick in the draft (since the Braves don't have a 3rd rounder, I would guess it would be the 2nd highest pick in this case).
MLBTR projects the Braves to sign MM for a 5 year $85M contract. But it's debatable as to the need. But what if MM's market became depressed because of the attachment of the QO and his market was ~ 4 years, $68M. What would you think if the Braves signed him to that contract, gave up the second round pick, with the intention of trading him at first available opportunity (say trade deadline) to someone like the Giants for something along the lines of OF Heliot Ramos.
The approach would net the Giants that they coveted (assuming they don't address the position in a better way), would save them the pick, would get them MM at a deflated rate (because only reason for Braves to sign him). The Braves would give up a second round pick of unknown ultimate value and also pay MM for some time while taking advantage of his play but would gain a better known quantity in 1st round pick Ramos all without paying his bonus.
Of course this couldn't be worked out in advance. And the initial target team when you originated the move may change over time. Plus, it's a gamble, because you could end up stuck with the guy OR he could play so well that you could find it politically difficult to move him at all.
But, I see it as an edge area where a smart team that is willing and able to gamble a bit MIGHT retrieve a big benefit.
So, for instance, the Braves are one of 16 revenue sharing teams and didn't exceed the luxury tax threshold so they would give up their third highest pick in the draft (since the Braves don't have a 3rd rounder, I would guess it would be the 2nd highest pick in this case).
MLBTR projects the Braves to sign MM for a 5 year $85M contract. But it's debatable as to the need. But what if MM's market became depressed because of the attachment of the QO and his market was ~ 4 years, $68M. What would you think if the Braves signed him to that contract, gave up the second round pick, with the intention of trading him at first available opportunity (say trade deadline) to someone like the Giants for something along the lines of OF Heliot Ramos.
The approach would net the Giants that they coveted (assuming they don't address the position in a better way), would save them the pick, would get them MM at a deflated rate (because only reason for Braves to sign him). The Braves would give up a second round pick of unknown ultimate value and also pay MM for some time while taking advantage of his play but would gain a better known quantity in 1st round pick Ramos all without paying his bonus.
Of course this couldn't be worked out in advance. And the initial target team when you originated the move may change over time. Plus, it's a gamble, because you could end up stuck with the guy OR he could play so well that you could find it politically difficult to move him at all.
But, I see it as an edge area where a smart team that is willing and able to gamble a bit MIGHT retrieve a big benefit.