2018 Offseason And Targets

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nsacpi said:
Ok. The pick helps some. But I don't think it completely evens things out.
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Probably not, but the Dip****o likes to be aggressive at the expense of being intelligent. The Ms want to clear payroll in 2 years, so Santana has to go. Period. Teams seem to be lining up to take advantage of this fact.

The best part about this trade is I will now get to see if Diaz switching organizations brings about the launch angle change I’ve been advocating for years happens and pays off.
 
Given the Rays salary situation (nothing on the books until they signed Morton) and the perception that they're trying to contend this year, something like a Bauers/Brandon Lowe for Santana would've made a lot of sense for them to make a push for the next two years IMO. Adding Santana and Cruz to hit in the middle of their lineup and Morton to their rotation would really have made them interesting.
 
Chico said:
Now it’s Edwin going to the Rays
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THIS makes more sense. Now they add Cruz, and they're really going to be a handful.

Still doesn't make sense for Cleveland IMO - they've added salary (over the two years) rather than subtracted it.
 
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So it's this?


Mariners:

Draft Pick

Rays:

Yandy Diaz (from Cleveland)
Edwin Encarnacion (from Cleveland via Seattle


Indians:

Jake Bauers (From Tampa)
Carlos Santana (From Seattle)
 
Cheap fix for LF...Braxton/Duvall platoon!!! Bet we can re-sign him cheap!!!

Bueller? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?
 
Southcack77 said:
So it's this?


Mariners:

Draft Pick

Rays:

Yandy Diaz (from Cleveland)
Edwin Encarnacion (from Cleveland via Seattle


Indians:

Jake Bauers (From Tampa)
Carlos Santana (From Seattle)
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No I'm pretty sure that the Mariners are getting Edwin and a pick. Rays are getting Yandy, and Indians are getting Bauers and Carlos.
 
Enscheff said:
From MLBTR:

"The Yankees are asking for “high-end Major League talent” in exchange for Sonny Gray"

Who exactly do the Yankees think they are trading?
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I saw an article posted from a Yankee fanboy basically saying the Yankees are right to be asking for a lot because Gray would be an "Ace" anywhere else. Lol, you can't make up that kind of dumb.
 
BeanieAntics said:
No I'm pretty sure that the Mariners are getting Edwin and a pick. Rays are getting Yandy, and Indians are getting Bauers and Carlos.
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Which leads me back to wondering why it makes sense for Tampa (unless they think they can suddenly get Diaz hitting the ball in the air). They had plenty of financial flexibility to take on EE - especially for one year - and another big bat to help them give the big boys a run for their money this season.
 
so the indians traded Diaz and got Santana and Bauers. I think Bauers probably has more value than Diaz, leading me to believe the Indians took on Santana's salary to even it out a bit. which means when Seattle took on santana as an asset, that was...stupid.
 
Carp said:
I saw an article posted from a Yankee fanboy basically saying the Yankees are right to be asking for a lot because Gray would be an "Ace" anywhere else. Lol, you can't make up that kind of dumb.
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Yankees fans are accustomed to the thinking the rest of MLB serves as their minor league affiliate.

Since the Yankees usually just buy whatever they want, and are now smarter the 80% of the other teams, that is pretty much the case.
 
clvclv said:
Which leads me back to wondering why it makes sense for Tampa (unless they think they can suddenly get Diaz hitting the ball in the air). They had plenty of financial flexibility to take on EE - especially for one year - and another big bat to help them give the big boys a run for their money this season.
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This is the type of move that I really like. Find a player who excels at one or two things, but has a fixable problem holding him back. A smart organization identifies that, realizes other teams are undervaluing that asset, and then acquires that player with the thought of fixing him and getting a 3+ win player for cheap. Teams like the Dodgers and Red Sox do stuff like this a ton. Chris Taylor, Kike Hernandez, Max Muncy, Steve Pearce, Mitch Moreland... To one degree or another, those guys were all undervalued assets that just needed a smart organization to identify their problems and tap into their potential.

As a result, the Dodgers and the Red Sox have built incredibly deep offenses that have a lot of versatility. The Rays obviously won't be able to do it to the degree of those teams, but they can still acquire plenty of quality players for cheap like that. I kind of think that was the angle that AA was going for when he traded for Duvall and it just hasn't worked out yet. I bet he keeps working with Duvall to see if he can unlock a little extra out of him. But I expect moves similar to this from us in the future.
 
Super said:
i think the Mariners got EE?
i'm surprised the rays traded bauers.
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There was a few tweets suggesting Rays were getting Encarnacion as well, but this may clear that up:


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The full trade is #Rays get Yandy Diaz and minor League Pitcher Cole Sulser from #Indians for Jake Bours and cash that goes to Seattle. Cleveland gets Santana from Seattle for Encarnacion. Encarnacion remains with #Mariners for now but #Rays quite interested



Mariners:

Edwin Encarnacion
Draft Pick
$$$

Indians:

Jake Bour
Carlos Santana

Rays:

Yandi Diaz
Cole Sulser
 
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