tululush
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If that is the entirety of our offseason then YUCK. Completely underwhelming. I'm still a believer in AA and that a trade to fill either C or cOF will happen.
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If that is the entirety of our offseason then YUCK. Completely underwhelming. I'm still a believer in AA and that a trade to fill either C or cOF will happen.
UNCBlue012
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I called this. lol
I called this. lol
Southcack77
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At this point, it's looking like that's about as good as AA can do without spending a lot of prospect capital. Ought to be good for 3rd or 4th in the division, which could still be a good team.
msstate7
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3rd or 4th? I doubt that.
zbhargrove
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You and all the other people out there that put 2 and 2 together
Southcack77
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For the record, I think there is zero need to sign Anibal and I personally don't see the point of spending 10m on a reliever. I find that 15m to be suboptimal as the kids say.
nsacpi
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I was just proposing an alternative that also involved no long term deals, no loss of picks and no loss of prospects.
Tapate50
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Think you may have gotten Muk and Anibal $ swapped.
Southcack77
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It doesn't appear the Marlins suitors have decreased significantly for Realmuto. and into the conversation comes the biggest prospect rumored yet.
zbhargrove
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If JD is healthy no matter what the team is significantly better than last year. Sorry I don't see much that scared me the other east teams have done. We are easily still the favorite
nsacpi
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I think the gnats are clear favorites for the NL East. After that I think we and the mets are pretty close. fillies are a ways back. And marlins not a factor.
nsacpi
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Well I was just looking at the money spent in your post for Ramos and Brantley. I'm not so sure that is optimal or even superior to the the alternative I sketched out. I realize you were not claiming it was. But it is interesting to conduct an exercise to see what is the best plan subject to no long term deals, no loss of picks and no loss of prospects.
msstate7
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I doubt the Astros do that; but if they do, I want no part of a package that level
Russ2dollas
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Brantley signing for so cheap makes me think OF will be filled with a big trade.
I'm a little perplexed by the Brantley deal. That deal or a little more seems a perfect fit for us. I'm still holding out hope that AA has a trick up his sleeve and is not putting the entire offseason's hopes in Donaldson's hands.
My worry is that he's going to hold on to all of the prospects and naturally some will flame out and we'll have lost their value.
My worry is that he's going to hold on to all of the prospects and naturally some will flame out and we'll have lost their value.
Another potentially interesting name that hasn't been kicked around much (if at all) is Eric Thames. Fits as a lefty bat with pop, could platoon with Camargo in LF, and comes with no long-term commitment ($6 million this year, $7.5 million team option in 2020). Might not cost an arm and a leg since they have Santana and Broxton there and ready, and Ray getting close.
Not sure Julio would be enough to get him, but how nice would that be? AA could then focus on Gray (assuming he's still sniffing around there) without HAVING to have Frazier as part of the discussions. IF you could get him for Julio it saves ~ $5 million...
Work out the deal for Gray by himself ($4 million added when you apply the savings)
Release Duvall and sign Gonzalez (~ $7 million added)
Acuna, Donaldson, Freeman, Thames, Flowers, Albies, Ender, Dansby
Mac, Camargo, Gonzalez, Culberson
Folty, Gray, Newk, Gausman, Touki
Use the rest of the money to add Soria or Miller to the pen. Even if Julio isn't enough to get him, you'd still think they wouldn't mind clearing Thames' salary to use to chase another Pitcher.
Not sure Julio would be enough to get him, but how nice would that be? AA could then focus on Gray (assuming he's still sniffing around there) without HAVING to have Frazier as part of the discussions. IF you could get him for Julio it saves ~ $5 million...
Work out the deal for Gray by himself ($4 million added when you apply the savings)
Release Duvall and sign Gonzalez (~ $7 million added)
Acuna, Donaldson, Freeman, Thames, Flowers, Albies, Ender, Dansby
Mac, Camargo, Gonzalez, Culberson
Folty, Gray, Newk, Gausman, Touki
Use the rest of the money to add Soria or Miller to the pen. Even if Julio isn't enough to get him, you'd still think they wouldn't mind clearing Thames' salary to use to chase another Pitcher.
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Southcack77
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You're right, I wasn't saying my plan was the optimal but I did kind of like it. I was just pleased to see that it was not that far-fetched.
I would be willing to let the pitching essentially ride. You have internal options that you could still want to see and trade for front end rotation help seems like the more likely way of improving. Not optimal to pay for receivers so I'd be looking at reclamation projects and one year vets. But at a slightly higher price point than last year, where they were really just taking fliers.
Southcack77
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I don't really see the point of Marwin Gonzalez or Sonny Gray.
I consider them both all right depth moves, but they aren't very good options for filling major holes.
Gonzalez further upgrades the bench over Duvall. For whatever reason, we're still tied to Gray - I wouldn't argue that he's likely an upgrade over Julio. Not enough of one that I'd give up a lot for, but at this point it looks like any improvements will have to come on the edges. The Indians have likely shuffled enough money at this point that they're not going to HAVE to trade a SP unless they're blown away with the return.
Allows you to keep Riley and Camargo in case you don't re-sign Donaldson next winter,
Nerfherders
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What about Domingo Santana? That guy was the loser in the musical chairs that was the Brewer's regular lineup. He wasn't good last year, but he hardly had a chance to get going. He's relatively young, had a great 2017, and the Brewers still have a glut of outfielders.
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