Perfectly reasonable starting point for him. just needs to be careful not to hold out too long and tank his own market as suitors move onto other options.
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Perfectly reasonable starting point for him. just needs to be careful not to hold out too long and tank his own market as suitors move onto other options.
Heyward
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Pollock could probably get that to be honest or at least pretty close to it.
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CyYoung31
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Hopefully not in that order.
bravesfanMatt
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Our front-of-the-rotation starting pitcher, late-inning reliever, and one more outfielder will have a monster season. Book it.
And during the same interview he said that he's not particularly interested in trading multiple high-end guys for that TOR starter who they're keenly aware could blow out at any point. (Mentioned that in the other thread.) Sounded like he's open to a deal if it only included ONE of Wright/Soroka/Anderson/Touki, but not more than one.
He also said that they understand the local love for bringing Kimbrel home - especially now that Mac's back - but that there are some places they're just not comfortable tying big $$$ up. That quote wasn't directly attributed to his interest in Kimbrel, but it was pretty easy to realize that's who he was referring to.
More or less said that Donaldson was Priority #1 from the get-go, and now that Catcher has been addressed as well that he's likely going to wait and let the market come to him at this point.
As usual, Sullivan steals my ideas.
https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/madison-bumgarner-wont-fetch-the-giants-that-much/
"Last offseason, somewhat conveniently, the Giants were on the other side of a similar exchange. With Bumgarner, the Giants would be trading one of their own icons away. But you’ll recall that they traded for one of the Pirates’ icons, in Andrew McCutchen. McCutchen was coming off a better year than Bumgarner, but he was a bit older, and he also had just one year of team control left. The Pirates received position-player prospect Bryan Reynolds, and pitching prospect Kyle Crick. Reynolds, at the time, was given an FV rating of 45. Crick was given an FV rating of 40."
"Plus, if the Giants held off, maybe the team would play well enough to flirt with the wild-card race. Maybe Bumgarner’s numbers would rebound, at least somewhat. He should actually begin the season healthy. And then there’s the matter of Bumgarner’s reputation. Really, it’s the matter of his statistical performance in the playoffs. So much of the perception of Bumgarner’s value has to do with what he’s done in October. I wouldn’t expect other teams to value that too highly right now, especially since Bumgarner was a hero all the way back in 2014, but come the next trade deadline, the playoffs will be closer in view."
Fried and Allard for Bumgarner is a horrid idea, but not as bad as Albies for Dee Gordon.
CrazyTrain
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You wouldn't trade two fringe major leaguers for a world series MVP in his prime?
lol.
bravesfanMatt
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I read crazy train post in ozzies mumbles. It actually makes it more intelligible.
Heyward
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He's 29 years old. Verlander was considered washed when he went to Houston...
CrazyTrain
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You can't argue with them, they don't want to listen.
verlander was better AND more durable before being traded. he put up a 5.2 fWAR season before being traded the following year. that matches MadBum's best year...ever. that's not washed up at all. he was very good in 2017 before being traded.
i also didn't say he was washed up. i said he's not in his prime.
please address, genius.
bumgarner is not in his prime. what do you have to make that case? i'm all ears.
verlander was not washed up and pitched extremely well the 1.5 years before being traded.
what incentive do i have "not to listen" about bumgarner? i have literally already stated i would take him if the acquisition cost was cheap. it won't be. i think he'll outpitch anibal, and outpitch newcomb pretty easily. that doesn't mean i want to pay the price for him and bank on a rebound.
CrazyTrain
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He's 29! He had two successive mediocre seasons due to fluke injuries. Bum is going to have a huge season next year and he's going to cost a lot less at this moment than he will in July.
i'm not sure where your reading is failing you.
i never said he's finished being a useful SP. i think he will be.
you have no idea what he'll cost rn. i believe it will be high. and like i said previously, some people have said the giants don't even seem serious about dealing him. meaning they are probably asking for a lot.
the verlander comparison doesn't match bumgarner.
BeanieAntics
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Lol you don't even put any thought into it at all. You just see a guy who was elite a few years ago and you're willing to justify any price to have him.
Its tantamount to a child who wants some 5 dollar toy and is willing to give his parent's paycheck away to have it.
"Oooooh! Big shiny toy! I give you 1,000 dollars for big shiny toy because I like big shiny toy!"
"But son, here is the exact same toy for 2 dollars"
"Its not as shiny!!"
He's been hurt a ton. When he hasn't been hurt, his xFIP has gotten worse and worse over the past three years. He's controlled for 1 year. So no I wouldn't trade Fried and Allard for Bumgarner. And since when is Fried a fringe major leaguer? If he were still eligible he would easily be a top 100 prospect. He was also better in his 33 innings last year than Bumgarner has been the past two years.
BeanieAntics
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He's also gotten consistently worse for the past 3 years. Every metric I can find has him declining when he is available to pitch, which hasn't been super often.
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