2018 Offseason And Targets

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jpx7 said:
What is this Bumgarner thirst-circle? Why does anyone want him at any cost greater than free?
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It's still easy to think of him as Madison Bumgarner, Destroyer of Worlds. His best moments all took place under the brightest lights, while his decline has happened in obscurity. People hear the name and immediately conjure images of the guy who pretty much single-handedly beat the Royals, not the injured guy who hasn't done anything particularly impressive for two years.
 
Heyward said:
Bowman said the Braves continue to show interest in Corbin and it would cost Pache/Wright/Touki for Kluber. Whew.

And Britton is more likely than Kimbrel.
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Not happening. I wonder why no Ender? Money? I could go Ender/Gohara/Wright for Kluber or.....Pache/Wright/Touki/Swanson/another prospect for Kluber and Lindor. Who’s in? 😂😂
 
Heyward said:
Bowman said the Braves continue to show interest in Corbin and it would cost Pache/Wright/Touki for Kluber. Whew.

And Britton is more likely than Kimbrel.
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It would cost all three, or it one of those would be the centerpiece?

I personally wouldn't even do 2 of those guys for Kluber. I know he's a legit ace, but the man will be 33 in April. If I'm giving up that sort of package, I'd rather go after Thor. Surely a package of that caliber has to start the conversation for Thor.
 
Carp said:
Actually that's not necessarily what it means at all. People have high walk rates for many reasons. You're the same type of fan they said Newk was better than Folty in April/May because "Folty didn't know where his fastball was going."
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No. I’m not. Folty’s only real issue is that he is too emotional. Go look at his walk rate stats and compare them to Newk/Fried. I like Folty a lot, regardless of his poor postseason. He’s a late bloomer like Max Scherzer. He’s going to be the one thing Coppy got right.

Newk and Fried have high walk rates because they don’t have command of their fastball. Plain and simple. Newk throws so many uncompetitive pitches that it makes him hard to watch.
 
Gabe
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Fried, Inciarte, Wilson and Allard enough to get one of the Indians SPs?

Jason Martinez
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Yep. That should do it. Maybe even more than enough

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If this is enough to get Kluber or Carrasco I'd pull the trigger and wouldn't think twice.

Sign McCutchen/Brantley
Resign Markakis
Sign a BP atm or 2
Sign a bench bar

Let's play ball!
 
Newk commands his fastball fine for the most part. The issue is his secondary offerings aren't that great and he likes to nibble instead of throwing strikes and allowing the defense behind him to make a play. That's why I like Bryce Wilson so much. He doesn't have the pure stuff of several of the prospects ahead of him, but he throws strikes and attacks hitters.
 
Enscheff said:
The idea of trading for Bumgarner when you concede he's a 2+ win guy is silly when the Braves are loaded with young arms who can reasonably be expected to produce exactly that for free.
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Sort of liberal use of the numeral 2 as a framing device, but I dig it.

I got Madison as a 3 win player with a strong chance of outperforming that. I got him acquirable for a modest prospect.

It think that's a significant upgrade.

I don't think his salary will derail the Braves from addressing their other needs.

...But hell, I'm not the guy's agent or anything. I don't much care one way or the other, though I think its pretty obvious the Braves do not have very dependable pitching.
 
Jay212033 said:
Gabe
6:05
Fried, Inciarte, Wilson and Allard enough to get one of the Indians SPs?

Jason Martinez
6:06
Yep. That should do it. Maybe even more than enough

From MLBTradeRumors

If this is enough to get Kluber or Carrasco I'd pull the trigger and wouldn't think twice.

Sign McCutchen/Brantley
Resign Markakis
Sign a BP atm or 2
Sign a bench bar

Let's play ball!
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If that would get Kluber, It would already be done...
Sign Brantley
Trade Jenista/Ynoa for Rosario (or the like)
Get a bench bat
And play ball

Brantley, Acuna, Freeman, JD, Rosario, Albies, Flowers, Dansby
Kluber, Folty, Gausman, Newk, (Soroka/Gohara/Touki/Wright)

That could win the NL
 
Southcack77 said:
Sort of liberal use of the numeral 2 as a framing device, but I dig it.

I got Madison as a 3 win player with a strong chance of outperforming that. I got him acquirable for a modest prospect.

It think that's a significant upgrade.

I don't think his salary will derail the Braves from addressing their other needs.

...But hell, I'm not the guy's agent or anything. I don't much care one way or the other, though I think its pretty obvious the Braves do not have very dependable pitching.
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Starting rotation 4th in the MLB in ERA.
 
bravesguy said:
If that would get Kluber, It would already be done...
Sign Brantley
Trade Jenista/Ynoa for Rosario (or the like)
Get a bench bat
And play ball

Brantley, Acuna, Freeman, JD, Rosario, Albies, Flowers, Dansby
Kluber, Folty, Gausman, Newk, (Soroka/Gohara/Touki/Wright)

That could win the NL
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Jenista and Ynoa wouldn't even start the conversation for Rosario. He'd on par with Haniger in terms of expensive.
 
Oklahomabrave said:
You’re right it’s not close to enough, but with a lesser bat, one year less of control, and worse defense I’d think he’d cost a good bit less.
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They are both controlled through 2022 and I think their defense is pretty close, but Haniger definitely has the better bat.

I was a big advocate of Rosario earlier this year, but the more I look into him the more I think it'd be a mistake. His predictive metrics do not look great. He had a .297 xwOBA to a .340 wOBA. He has been a guy that has consistently outperformed his xwOBA significantly, but I'd still be kind of shaky about spending a ton on him. This is one of those situations where I think I'll admit that I was probably wrong in advocating for a Rosario trade after looking into it more.
 
I still don't get the fascination with dumping one of our starting position players. If we trade a guy like Ender for Kluber, we add 10 million dollars more to the payroll while also creating another hole to fill on the offense. I don't think we can afford to take on 10 million dollars and then go out and somehow get TWO outfielders.
 
BeanieAntics said:
They are both controlled through 2022 and I think their defense is pretty close, but Haniger definitely has the better bat.

I was a big advocate of Rosario earlier this year, but the more I look into him the more I think it'd be a mistake. His predictive metrics do not look great. He had a .297 xwOBA to a .340 wOBA. He has been a guy that has consistently outperformed his xwOBA significantly, but I'd still be kind of shaky about spending a ton on him. This is one of those situations where I think I'll admit that I was probably wrong in advocating for a Rosario trade after looking into it more.
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Oh I had thought he only had three years of control. Hadn’t noticed that discrepancy in xwOBA, I’ve also believed him to be a good target
 
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