2018 Offseason And Targets

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I care because I remember what the BJ Upton contract did to the braves. What the Derek Lowe contract did. Dan Uggla. And Harper or Machado would be 2-3x that amount. We don’t want to see that happen again. Because those large record breaking contracts hardly ever work out in the team’s favor. Are there exceptions? Of course. But blowing our wad to go all in for one year will often times end up in more periods where the braves have to rebuild and having Josh Anderson roam CF isn’t very entertaining.

Not to mention, signing Harper may mean that we have to let Freddie/Acuna/Albies/etc go before we really should bc of the money tied up to Harper. It just doesn’t make sense for a mid market team to spend that kind of money on one player.

going all-in does not produce any guarantees...there is this strange misconception that shortening the window while modestly increasing the odds in a particular year increases your chances of a championship...

i think the smarter approach is 1) to focus relentlessly on value, 2) be realistic at the deadline (sell some years, plug weaknesses the years you are in contention), 3) avoid the risks associated with long-term deals that pay 30 something players big money...there is no magic bullet out there, but these common sense rules will increase any team's chances of success
 
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I care because I remember what the BJ Upton contract did to the braves. What the Derek Lowe contract did. Dan Uggla. And Harper or Machado would be 2-3x that amount. We don’t want to see that happen again. Because those large record breaking contracts hardly ever work out in the team’s favor. Are there exceptions? Of course. But blowing our wad to go all in for one year will often times end up in more periods where the braves have to rebuild and having Josh Anderson roam CF isn’t very entertaining.

Not to mention, signing Harper may mean that we have to let Freddie/Acuna/Albies/etc go before we really should bc of the money tied up to Harper. It just doesn’t make sense for a mid market team to spend that kind of money on one player.

You care because you’re smart enough to understand how short term moves can lead to long term losing.

You care because you’d more rather see 10 years of good baseball than 2.

You care because you’re smart enough to realize that no matter what moves a team makes they still don’t have more than a 20% chance to win the WS.

You care because you are able to learn from the past mistakes that happen over and over.

You care because you’re an intelligent fan.
 
To be fair - you folks understand you're not the GM of anything other than your own spreadsheet, right???

Once again, a select few folks miss the entire point of the post.

Nobody here gets paid, not even a gold star, for being the smartest GM on the internet message board. This stuff isn't rocket science - no matter how much some people try to make it out to be - and the vast majority of posters here are quite aware of what an overpay is and what the consequences for overpaying are. The difference with those who don't mind an overpay here and there is that they grasp the fact that they don't care about it - they want to win now, and couldn't give less of a *hit what that causes to happen 5 years from now because they're not asked to deal with that.

The rant I referred to came from a host - not any of the former GMs who a blackjack dealer thinks he's infinitely more intelligent than - who makes some sense. His point was that he's grown so tired of hearing fans calling in and saying "I don't want Harper/Machado/insert whatever player you like because of the situation he'll put the organization in 8-10 years down the road". What the *ell do you care? Are you the owner? A Liberty Media shareholder? Do you even go to SunTrust Park more than a couple times a year??? It's not your money, so what difference does it make? MLB baseball is entertainment, and it's much more entertaining when your team has lots of very good players and a chance to win.

It's great to understand the inner-workings of the baseball business, but there's no award for doing so - and just because people enjoy being impatient fans doesn't preclude one from knowing whether decisions are "smart" business decisions or not. They simply don't care since it's not their money or job on the line. Those who lose sleep over those things seriously need to take a step back and consider what's actually important in their lives. There's honestly no harm going to come from wishing the Braves would have signed Harper, Machado, Kimbrel, and Corbin to go with Freeman, Donaldson, and Acuna and taking a shot while you have them - I promise. If you think those wishing those things don't understand that it wasn't possible or would be a bad business decision, you're obviously not half as smart as you think you are - this isn't Reddit, MLBTR, or an ESPN message board.

The fact that a radio host said it, doesn't make it any less dumb. Shanks had a radio show and gets paid to be a sports journalist (for some odd reason) and he constantly says idiotic stuff.
 
Exactly.

clv's argument is so bad right now. Of course we care about what a bad contract does to the future of the organization. Being the owner or shareholder means nothing. I want the Braves to be successful for as long as possible, so I don't want things that will keep that from happening 8-10 years down the road. Not sure why that is so hard to understand.

All of clvderps arguments are bad. It’s like he comes out and tries to post something dumber than the last thing he said, and then blabbers on and on endlessly defending it with barely coherent posts.

And then 3-4 people come out to whine when we call clvderp a moron.
 
Much preferable to going to trial with Folty over $100k.

The Duvall contract is now guaranteed? If so, I think that means the cOF about to be acquired will be a LHH.

DoB confirmed that it is not a guaranteed deal for anyone signed today. If the Braves release him in ST, we only have to pay a % of the salary based on the date
 
Peralta fits that bill.

Peralta, Pederson, Verdugo, Kepler, Muk, Winker, Cargo all fit that bill.

And a couple switch hitters with the Cubs: Happ and Zobrist.

Plenty of options still out there. Things will move after Harper finds a landing spot.
 
Arbitration updates:

Agreed to terms with
Winkler $1.61m
Culberson $1.395m
Duvall $2.875m
Viz $4.8m
Folty $5.475m

Total: $16.155m

Didn't we have 7 total arb eligible?.. outside of Gausman, who is missing?
 
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Daniel Murphy 2-$24M with Rox.
DJ LeMahieu 2-$24M with Yanks.

Did the Rockies offer LeMahieu the same deal? Did he turn them down? Did he want to leave? Do the Rox think Murphy is better?
 
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