2018 Trade Deadline ROSTERBATION

Just asking Rays have the international penalty? I don’t have any idea but the Yankees are making a lot of trade for international money and maybe they are planning to send all to the Rays for Chris Archer.
 
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Enscheff said:
For reference, here is what the Rays equivalent to Talking Chop (so take that for what it's worth) writes about trading Archer to the Braves:

https://www.draysbay.com/2018/7/28/...cardinals-los-angeles-dodges-san-diego-padres

Likely trade targets:

3B Austin Riley (No. 29)
RHP Ian Anderson (No. 38) or RHP Kyle Wright (No. 40)
OF Cristian Pache (No. 98) or OF Drew Waters (NR)
RHP Touki Toussaint (NR) or LHP Kolby Allard (NR)

The best young pieces in Atlanta are already part of the Braves rebuild, but stepping out of the top-10 for a centerpiece casts a wider net on the Top-100.

Riley is young for his level and a reasonable start, and nabbing Wright would make an Archer deal a win for the Rays. Add a young outfield prospect and a Triple-A starter, and I don’t see how Tampa Bay says no.

Danny’s best guess: Riley, Wright, Pache, and Allard makes this too difficult to pass up.

First, we examine Archer's surplus value...

2018: ~1.5 wins RoS is $30M while being paid ~$2M is $25M-$30M surplus value.
2019: I'll project 3+ wins for $7.5M is another $20M+ in surplus value.
2020: Project 3 ins for $9M (option) is another ~$20M in surplus value.
2021: Again project 3 wins for $11M is another ~$20M in surplus value.

Add all that up, and we are talking about a total surplus value in the range of $90M+. Add in the fact that a team can limit its downside via the 2 option years, and the surplus probably inches towards $100M.

Approximate values of the guys listed by the Rays fansite...

3B Austin Riley (FV 50) = $20M
RHP Ian Anderson (FV 50) = $20M
RHP Kyle Wright (FV 55) = $38M
OF Cristian Pache (FV 55) = $38M
OF Drew Waters (FV 45, likely FV 50 now) = $20M
RHP Touki Toussaint (FV 50) = $20M
LHP Kolby Allard (FV 50) = $20M

That Riley, Wright, Pache, and Allard package they suggest carries a total value of about $115M, so it's not horribly off. A reasonable offer considering they are Rays fans.

I would NOT be in favor of trading such a package for Archer.

To me, an acceptable package would have to center around guys like Gohara (if the Braves are done with him), Fried, Allard and Camargo (if he is replaced this season with Beltre or Solarte).
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I’d do yours and be willing to include Cumberland if the Rays like him and/or Izzy Or Encarnacion as a wild card.
 
Lynn was another guy I liked for our rotation as cheap depth. Essentially replacing McCarthy and hoping that coming back to the NL would help get him back to his 2017 form. Oh well.
 
nsacpi said:
So the Mariners give up 1.25M in slot money for Warren. And we give up a total of 500K for Brach and Venters. That's some pretty good work by AA.
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Not sure when/if this was stated. But is that slot money for the current signing period or for next year?
 
Oops. Posted in the wrong thread. Might as well use this space. If Archer costs as much as it seems he's going to, I'd rather just bump the package up a bit and add Syndegaard or Degrom. If you're going to give up 4 pretty damn good prospects then you need to go for it and get a true elite player, imo. Spending 4 top prospects on Archer would be a bad move.
 
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Enscheff said:
For reference, here is what the Rays equivalent to Talking Chop (so take that for what it's worth) writes about trading Archer to the Braves:

https://www.draysbay.com/2018/7/28/...cardinals-los-angeles-dodges-san-diego-padres

Likely trade targets:

3B Austin Riley (No. 29)
RHP Ian Anderson (No. 38) or RHP Kyle Wright (No. 40)
OF Cristian Pache (No. 98) or OF Drew Waters (NR)
RHP Touki Toussaint (NR) or LHP Kolby Allard (NR)

The best young pieces in Atlanta are already part of the Braves rebuild, but stepping out of the top-10 for a centerpiece casts a wider net on the Top-100.

Riley is young for his level and a reasonable start, and nabbing Wright would make an Archer deal a win for the Rays. Add a young outfield prospect and a Triple-A starter, and I don’t see how Tampa Bay says no.

Danny’s best guess: Riley, Wright, Pache, and Allard makes this too difficult to pass up.

First, we examine Archer's surplus value...

2018: ~1.5 wins RoS is $30M while being paid ~$2M is $25M-$30M surplus value.
2019: I'll project 3+ wins for $7.5M is another $20M+ in surplus value.
2020: Project 3 ins for $9M (option) is another ~$20M in surplus value.
2021: Again project 3 wins for $11M is another ~$20M in surplus value.

Add all that up, and we are talking about a total surplus value in the range of $90M+. Add in the fact that a team can limit its downside via the 2 option years, and the surplus probably inches towards $100M.

Approximate values of the guys listed by the Rays fansite...

3B Austin Riley (FV 50) = $20M
RHP Ian Anderson (FV 50) = $20M
RHP Kyle Wright (FV 55) = $38M
OF Cristian Pache (FV 55) = $38M
OF Drew Waters (FV 45, likely FV 50 now) = $20M
RHP Touki Toussaint (FV 50) = $20M
LHP Kolby Allard (FV 50) = $20M

That Riley, Wright, Pache, and Allard package they suggest carries a total value of about $115M, so it's not horribly off. A reasonable offer considering they are Rays fans.

I would NOT be in favor of trading such a package for Archer.

To me, an acceptable package would have to center around guys like Gohara (if the Braves are done with him), Fried, Allard and Camargo (if he is replaced this season with Beltre or Solarte).
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If that is the legit price for Archer... and there are teams willing to pay it... We need a for sale sign on Folty PDQ. I'll gladly punt this years playoff run for that kind of talent return.
 
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