That’s a good point. It’s definitely a bet on player development, which AA has harped on quite a bit since taking over.
2019 MLB Draft Thread
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That’s a good point. It’s definitely a bet on player development, which AA has harped on quite a bit since taking over.
Bowman article about the draft: https://www.mlb.com/braves/news/braves-2019-draft-day-3-coverage
He says Shewmake isn’t an underslot pick and that Tampa was going to take him with the next pick. Not sure how he’d know that unless someone in the Atlanta front office told him, which makes me skeptical of its validity.
He says Beau Philip is an underslot guy but then mentions that being necessary to sign Harris. The only picks mentions after round 10 are the attempts to sign Vaughn Grissom and Tyler Owens. I certainly hope we can sign more than just those two.
He says Shewmake isn’t an underslot pick and that Tampa was going to take him with the next pick. Not sure how he’d know that unless someone in the Atlanta front office told him, which makes me skeptical of its validity.
He says Beau Philip is an underslot guy but then mentions that being necessary to sign Harris. The only picks mentions after round 10 are the attempts to sign Vaughn Grissom and Tyler Owens. I certainly hope we can sign more than just those two.
Not a lot of substance here, but found this article -- Owens has a decision: Florida or Atlanta Braves https://www.gatorsports.com/2019/06/ocalas-owens-has-decision-florida-or-atlanta-braves/
Good news on 14th rounder Jared Johnson -- he plans to sign this weekend. "He says he plans to sign with the Braves this weekend and move on to rookie ball." https://www.wtva.com/content/sports/Smithvilles-Jared-Johnson-drafted-by-Braves-510886871.html
He went 9-0 on the mound this season with a 0.68 ERA and 100 strikeouts. He also hit .480 with ten home runs and 27 RBI.
Also found a Baseball America article on him as a pop up guy that touched 97: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/pop-up-prospect-getting-attention-in-mississippi/
He went 9-0 on the mound this season with a 0.68 ERA and 100 strikeouts. He also hit .480 with ten home runs and 27 RBI.
Also found a Baseball America article on him as a pop up guy that touched 97: https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/pop-up-prospect-getting-attention-in-mississippi/
Article on 16th rounder Joey Estes: https://www.avpress.com/sports/este...cle_84e72e00-881a-11e9-a5f6-a7fdb08a8b63.html
Some important parts:
"Atlanta indicated to Chad Eberhardt, Estes’ advisor, that they could meet the price tag necessary to turn pro immediately. It would depend on if previous draft picks signed at bonus levels the organization budgeted for, so there could be some waiting involved."
"One of Estes’ Spirits teammates this season was Dominic Ragazzo, the son of Braves international scouting operative Rick Regazzo. Ragazzo has been a scout since 1990, including a stint as Vice-President of Pro Scouting with the Dodgers under general manager Ned Colletti."
"A three-year starter for Coach Greg Burnias at Paraclete, Estes wrapped up his high school career in 2019 with an 8-0 record and 0.91 ERA. He struck out 124 in 77 innings pitched."
Some important parts:
"Atlanta indicated to Chad Eberhardt, Estes’ advisor, that they could meet the price tag necessary to turn pro immediately. It would depend on if previous draft picks signed at bonus levels the organization budgeted for, so there could be some waiting involved."
"One of Estes’ Spirits teammates this season was Dominic Ragazzo, the son of Braves international scouting operative Rick Regazzo. Ragazzo has been a scout since 1990, including a stint as Vice-President of Pro Scouting with the Dodgers under general manager Ned Colletti."
"A three-year starter for Coach Greg Burnias at Paraclete, Estes wrapped up his high school career in 2019 with an 8-0 record and 0.91 ERA. He struck out 124 in 77 innings pitched."
Tapate50
Well-known member
Do you think they made crappy picks on purpose?
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
Could this draft turn out ok? Sure.
What are the odds of it turning out ok? Not good at all if you look at:
a. Industry consensus: the Braves are essentially saying they are smarter than all the other "experts" in baseball. And while that can be the case in a one-off basis, it's not really a good strategy.
b. Historical performance of players similar to those they drafted in the areas where they drafted them.
With the 6th biggest pool of money in baseball, the Braves signed a bunch of high floor, low ceiling projects who are unlikely to ever be more than bit pieces at the ML level, if they make it at all.
What are the odds of it turning out ok? Not good at all if you look at:
a. Industry consensus: the Braves are essentially saying they are smarter than all the other "experts" in baseball. And while that can be the case in a one-off basis, it's not really a good strategy.
b. Historical performance of players similar to those they drafted in the areas where they drafted them.
With the 6th biggest pool of money in baseball, the Braves signed a bunch of high floor, low ceiling projects who are unlikely to ever be more than bit pieces at the ML level, if they make it at all.
thank god this opinion was stated for 500th time.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
With respect to point a, I don't think there is an industry consensus on the players beyond the top 50. Take Paolini for example. Apparently there were other teams besides us that were following him closely and had indicated they would be picking him about where we did. Take Estes for another example. He lives out in Antelope Valley, in the desert outside LA. Not a heavily scouted area. But apparently one of his teammates was the son of one of our scouts. Sometimes these little connections make a difference.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
My favorite baseball book of all time is Dollar Sign on the Muscle by Kevin Kerrane. It first came out in 1984, so it's really old school in its viewpoints, but it talks to a lot of old-time scouts and the yarns they spin are absolutely priceless. Some of the stories from the pre-draft era are an absolute hoot. The game has changed mightily in how talent is scouted, but you are still going to run across situations like the one we have with Estes.
Agree with your synopsis on valuation of prospects. Unlike football, where everyone sees what happens at the combine and has access to mountains of game film on most everyone being considered draftable, baseball evaluators have to dig a little deeper. I think once you get past the top level of the cream, there really is no consensus. And sometimes there are fly specks on the surface of the cream.
Fangraphs pod, two mins on every team and Braves start at 5:23: https://blogs.fangraphs.com/the-untitled-mcdongenhagen-project-draft-review-pod/
"There were a lot of thoughts from inside the industry that did not like this haul for the Braves."
Kiley says he heard scouts think Michael Harris could potentially have three above average pitches if he went full time on the mound.
"There were a lot of thoughts from inside the industry that did not like this haul for the Braves."
Kiley says he heard scouts think Michael Harris could potentially have three above average pitches if he went full time on the mound.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
The only problem I have with this scenario is I always live by the adage "Never fall in love with a player to the extent it's going to screw things up." Shewmate wasn't going to fall to #60, but if they had someone higher on their list than Shewmate that they passed on because another team was going to take Shewmate, that's just not a good way to do business.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I probably should've clarified, but that podcast was done before day three started. So it's very possible that their opinions could change if they sign those round 11-19 guys.