2019 Trade Deadline Thread:

thethe said:
That was before the modern baseball management structure. In the last 10-15 years the advent of the President of Baseball Operations role has changed how organizations are ran. These young men from Ivy league schools graduate from superior management programs and know that a division of labor and building centers of excellent in business segments is essential to optimal performance. Amateur scouting is a material segment for a baseball organization and warrants having direct leadership answerable to the president of baseball operations.
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Except the Braves don’t have one of those. Anthopoulos is the top baseball operations decision-maker for the Braves, and his title is Executive Vice President, General Manager.
 
jpx7 said:
Except the Braves don’t have one of those. Anthopoulos is the top baseball operations decision-maker for the Braves, and his title is Executive Vice President, General Manager.
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Agreed - But the title existed when Coppy was here as he was more 'green'.
 
Even if the GM wasn’t sitting there making every selection, he still decided which analytics to use, how heavily to weight them, how to assess risk based on age and position and medical history, how much to weight scouting, which tools to scout, how to scout them, who scouts them, etc, etc.

The GM doesn’t scout those tools, or gather the metrics, but he decides how they are applied to the decision making process.

It is absurd not to give credit for draft results, good or bad, to the GM.
 
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thethe said:
I don't have the direct visibility into a major league organization but with the demand that is on the major league side of the teams now I would be very surprised if the GM is involved at all. I mean really, what can they provide? They can read the scouting reports and say 'yay' or 'nay'? What added value is that? It just doesn't make any sense.
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Well then I really question your " visibility into the executive structure of large organizations." Executives in a corporation may not do the grunt work involved in gathering information for big projects, but they ultimately make the final decision on which project to pursue, based off a number of different factors.
 
Carp said:
Well then I really question your " visibility into the executive structure of large organizations." Executives in a corporation may not do the grunt work involved in gathering information for big projects, but they ultimately make the final decision on which project to pursue, based off a number of different factors.
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No - The CFO makes decisions related to the finance function. The CAO makes decisions related to the accounting function. The CTO makes decisions related to the technoclogy function.

I could go on but that is how the work is delineated. They all report up to the CEO and the CEO makes the final decision. The baseball analogy of that would be the President/VP of baseball operations.
 
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Carp said:
What exactly do you think a GM does that is so time consuming?
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Trade discussions
Analysis of major league talent across the league
3-5 year out projections of salary and player needs for the major league roster
Roster manipulation leveraging the AAA affiliate
Meetings with the coaching team to discuss team strategy
Build out of depth charts for all teams to identify strength and weaknesses that can be used to construct trades
Setting the tone for the analysis team for what type of metrics are essential and how often it needs to be provided and what form

Those are just a handful of thing that come to mind now but if I thought longer about it I could probably come up with 50 more.
 
thethe said:
No - The CFO makes decisions related to the finance function. The CAO makes decisions related to the accounting function. The CTO makes decisions related to the technoclogy function.

I could go on but that is how the work is delineated. They all report up to the CEO and the CEO makes the final decision. The baseball analogy of that would be the President/VP of baseball operations.
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You’re intent to die on this hill I see haha.

You were wrong, as always. Go grab your pompoms and get ready for DKs debut.
 
thethe said:
Trade discussions
Analysis of major league talent across the league
3-5 year out projections of salary and player needs for the major league roster
Roster manipulation leveraging the AAA affiliate
Meetings with the coaching team to discuss team strategy
Build out of depth charts for all teams to identify strength and weaknesses that can be used to construct trades
Setting the tone for the analysis team for what type of metrics are essential and how often it needs to be provided and what form

Those are just a handful of thing that come to mind now but if I thought longer about it I could probably come up with 50 more.
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LOL everything you listed could be handled by someone other than the GM. Odd the place you chose to draw the line of “not the GMs job” lol.

Here is one more of that 50...

Plan a draft
 
Not sure how this thread devolved into what a GM's role is, but will point out that this is the first year of no waiver trade deadline. So July 31 is the last day for trades period. Going to be even more nuts this year
 
thethe said:
Trade discussions
Analysis of major league talent across the league
3-5 year out projections of salary and player needs for the major league roster
Roster manipulation leveraging the AAA affiliate
Meetings with the coaching team to discuss team strategy
Build out of depth charts for all teams to identify strength and weaknesses that can be used to construct trades
Setting the tone for the analysis team for what type of metrics are essential and how often it needs to be provided and what form

Those are just a handful of thing that come to mind now but if I thought longer about it I could probably come up with 50 more.
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Half of those are probably done by analysts. Try again.
 
thethe said:
No - The CFO makes decisions related to the finance function. The CAO makes decisions related to the accounting function. The CTO makes decisions related to the technoclogy function.

I could go on but that is how the work is delineated. They all report up to the CEO and the CEO makes the final decision. The baseball analogy of that would be the President/VP of baseball operations.
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Give me a break. That literally has zero to do with what I said. The grunt work in decision making is largely done by lower level employees. But execs get paid the big bucks to review that information and make the best decision based on that info. The CFO, CAO, etc is irrelevant to the discussion.
 
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Carp said:
Give me a break. That literally has zero to do with what I said. The grunt work in decision making is largely done by lower level employees. But execs get paid the big bucks to review that information and make the best decision based on that info. The CFO, CAO, etc is irrelevant to the discussion.
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It is not irrelevant.

Centers of excellent are created for efficiencies. Its one of the oldest practices in business.
 
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