Southcack77
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The market doesn’t seem to pay that kind of premium on Will Smith. I’m sure he will try, but I’m sure past gMs have tried.
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The market doesn’t seem to pay that kind of premium on Will Smith. I’m sure he will try, but I’m sure past gMs have tried.
nsacpi
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I bet he gets a player who is on at least one of the main Top 100 lists...or someone like Fried who was a former top 100 guy recovering from an injury when we got him
Southcack77
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Manny Banuelos and Matt Wisler are still available.
jpx7
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Hopefully won't be from the Braves, then.
I still think Jeff Samardzija is a good Ian Kennedy-treatment candidate, however.
nsacpi
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could be...if we make that experiment Gausman and Folty would also be good candidates
jpx7
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They don't have the big contracts that make their respective teams desperate to unload them for a pittance—a key part of the Kennedy analogy.
nsacpi
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just saying we have some internal options if we want to move a starter to the pen...we've already done it with Newk and Touki...we might move Fried there to manage innings
You’re describing a FV 45 guy or a low end FV 50 guy.
I imagine you’re probably right, and if I were in charge I’d be targeting the single best player for Smith as well.
jpx7
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In terms of character, I’d much rather have Giles than Houston’s current closer.
Southcack77
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Potentially cheap acquisition relief prospects I kind of like:
Jared Hughes CIN RHP .252 wOBA .272 xwOBA: Has been pretty tough on righties with 20.2/5.4 K/BB. 3m club option for 2020.
David Hernandez CIN RHP .250wOB .282 xwoba , Destroying lefties this year, which is a little suspect 2020 FA.
Cincinnati also has Amir Garrett, Robert Stephenson, Raisel Iglesias who would be welcome additions but probably little bit less likely. Iglesias has not been top drawer closer good this season and actually might be a good idea for CIN to sell high on his remaining 2 seasons of control at 9m if they can.
Francisco Liriano PIT LHP .296 wOBA .291 xwOBA: 31.7 / 12.2 K/BB % vs lefties with a .381 BABIP. 2020 FA
Felipe Vazquez would be probably be even with Giles for me, just below the elite tier if he was available. Four years of affordable control make it unlikely he'll move. Kyle Crick another welcome pirate, but he's not even to arbitration.
Ian Kennedy KC RHP . 290 wOBA .259xwOBA: K rate approaching 30% with low walk rate vs LH and RHP; getting BABIPed it appears. Owed 16.5m in 2020.
Jared Hughes CIN RHP .252 wOBA .272 xwOBA: Has been pretty tough on righties with 20.2/5.4 K/BB. 3m club option for 2020.
David Hernandez CIN RHP .250wOB .282 xwoba , Destroying lefties this year, which is a little suspect 2020 FA.
Cincinnati also has Amir Garrett, Robert Stephenson, Raisel Iglesias who would be welcome additions but probably little bit less likely. Iglesias has not been top drawer closer good this season and actually might be a good idea for CIN to sell high on his remaining 2 seasons of control at 9m if they can.
Francisco Liriano PIT LHP .296 wOBA .291 xwOBA: 31.7 / 12.2 K/BB % vs lefties with a .381 BABIP. 2020 FA
Felipe Vazquez would be probably be even with Giles for me, just below the elite tier if he was available. Four years of affordable control make it unlikely he'll move. Kyle Crick another welcome pirate, but he's not even to arbitration.
Ian Kennedy KC RHP . 290 wOBA .259xwOBA: K rate approaching 30% with low walk rate vs LH and RHP; getting BABIPed it appears. Owed 16.5m in 2020.
zbhargrove
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Regarding SP targets if we elect to upgrade the rotation with one more body, I put this in the last game thread but I thought it was worth putting here too:
2018 was an outlier for Stroman given his 3.84 xFIP/5.54 ERA but this year is an outlier the other way given his 4.11 xFIP when compared with a 3.04 ERA. Stroman is also only putting up a K-rate 6.88 per 9. but similar to Keuchel, his GB% is obviously huge. I don't see MadBum or Stroman being a big difference maker but I'd pick Stroman of the two. I'd rather see a creative way to get Greinke but I highly doubt the Dbacks are going to chip in enough cash to get a deal done. If we are going to shell out good prospect capital, go get Boyd from Detroit. 3.61 ERA/3.50 xFIP/2.6 fWAR... 11.22 K/9 and a 1.81 BB/9 is flat out nasty. He has a .234 BA against even with a .305 BABIP against. ERA- of 79... the walk rate may normalize just a bit, but the BABIP against may counteract that. Everything about Boyd's breakout looks legit to me. Looks generally like mainly a two pitch pitcher, so that may be some concern (FB and a Slider)... He seems to have mainly cut out his curve ball, likely because it just doesn't seem that effective. Seems like he's been coached to mainly just focus on his FB and Sllider which limits his full upside but those two pitches look pretty nasty.
2018 was an outlier for Stroman given his 3.84 xFIP/5.54 ERA but this year is an outlier the other way given his 4.11 xFIP when compared with a 3.04 ERA. Stroman is also only putting up a K-rate 6.88 per 9. but similar to Keuchel, his GB% is obviously huge. I don't see MadBum or Stroman being a big difference maker but I'd pick Stroman of the two. I'd rather see a creative way to get Greinke but I highly doubt the Dbacks are going to chip in enough cash to get a deal done. If we are going to shell out good prospect capital, go get Boyd from Detroit. 3.61 ERA/3.50 xFIP/2.6 fWAR... 11.22 K/9 and a 1.81 BB/9 is flat out nasty. He has a .234 BA against even with a .305 BABIP against. ERA- of 79... the walk rate may normalize just a bit, but the BABIP against may counteract that. Everything about Boyd's breakout looks legit to me. Looks generally like mainly a two pitch pitcher, so that may be some concern (FB and a Slider)... He seems to have mainly cut out his curve ball, likely because it just doesn't seem that effective. Seems like he's been coached to mainly just focus on his FB and Sllider which limits his full upside but those two pitches look pretty nasty.
nsacpi
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Boyd would cost a ton. I like him a lot. But don't think the price will be acceptable.
As far as xwOBA is concerned, Boyd is the same guy in 2019 that he was in 2018 (.289 vs .291).
I would be hesitant to give up the package a Boyd acquisition is likely to require, and I think the Tigers would be wise to move him sooner rather than later. Hopefully they are smart enough to avoid the temptation to "build around him".
BeanieAntics
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I love the idea of having Boyd on this roster. I think he fits pretty well. But I would also be hesitant to pay the premium it would take to trade for his age 29, 30, and 31 seasons.
I'm not sure how good the Tigers are when it comes to trades, but the only way I'd be happy with a Boyd trade is if we could get him for less than what he's worth and I don't think that is gonna happen.
Boyd strikes me as the kind of newly valuable pitcher that someone will overpay to acquire, similar to when Chatwood hit the FA market and was suddenly considered some super valuable piece. I wasn't on board with that, and I'm never on board with pitchers who suddenly appear to become much better later in their career.
Boyd is certainly a good SP, and he certainly has real value. Like you, I would be in favor of acquiring him if the price is right...as usual.
Southcack77
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Dodgers are sniffing around Felipe Vazquez according to Jon Morosi, per MLBTR.
As I noted yesterday, Vazquez probably would slot just below the big three of Will Smith, Kirby Yates, and Brad Hand in terms of 2019 dominance, but is controlled through 2023.
2020 5.25
2021 7.25
2022 10m club option
2023 10m club option
Jon Morosi
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#Dodgers interested in #Pirates closer Felipe Vázquez, source says. Pittsburgh has no urgency to move Vázquez -- they have team options through 2023 -- but #Dodgers want to add the best reliever possible and have a strong farm system. @MLBNetwork @MLB
If any team has the organizational depth and urgency to acquire Vazquez, the Dodgers are it. The Dodgers have interest in the Pittsburgh left-hander, one source said, and are well-situated to acquire him for two reasons: The Dodgers’ farm system is deep enough to afford him, and the acquisition of a dynamic left-hander to pair with Kenley Jansen at the end of the game is the most obvious need for an otherwise near-perfect roster.
https://www.mlb.com/news/relief-pitchers-market-trade-deadline
As I noted yesterday, Vazquez probably would slot just below the big three of Will Smith, Kirby Yates, and Brad Hand in terms of 2019 dominance, but is controlled through 2023.
2020 5.25
2021 7.25
2022 10m club option
2023 10m club option
Jon Morosi
Verified account
@jonmorosi
3h3 hours ago
More
#Dodgers interested in #Pirates closer Felipe Vázquez, source says. Pittsburgh has no urgency to move Vázquez -- they have team options through 2023 -- but #Dodgers want to add the best reliever possible and have a strong farm system. @MLBNetwork @MLB
If any team has the organizational depth and urgency to acquire Vazquez, the Dodgers are it. The Dodgers have interest in the Pittsburgh left-hander, one source said, and are well-situated to acquire him for two reasons: The Dodgers’ farm system is deep enough to afford him, and the acquisition of a dynamic left-hander to pair with Kenley Jansen at the end of the game is the most obvious need for an otherwise near-perfect roster.
https://www.mlb.com/news/relief-pitchers-market-trade-deadline
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Tapate50
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I remember you being a Chatwood fan, no?
If we're trading for a starter and I gotta go with Zach Wheeler. He's a rental, so the cost shouldn't be substantial. He is currently having a bit of bad luck, which suggests the pendulum is likely to swing back over the 2nd half, and while that is unlikely to affect his acquisition cost tremendously, it's certainly better than him leading the league in ERA.