2020 Field

This is the policy of the (R) candidate:

Beto O'Rourke
@BetoORourke
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This administration finally admitted what we’ve known all along:

They think the Statue of Liberty only applies to white people.

Cuccinelli:
That statue of liberty poem was about "people coming from Europe."

Josh Marshall
@joshtpm
2/ Understandably getting lost in the shuffle here is that Cucc is arguing that "wretched" didn't mean "wretched". He appears to be saying it referred to people who weren't part of the nobility or simply one of the lower classes/commoners

3/ in other words, the doors were open for Tom in addition to Lord Grantham.
 
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cajunrevenge said:
If I understand Republicans logic...if a black person has a job then whoever is President cant be racist against that person. Thus low unemployment for blacks equals proof the President isnt racist. So using that I guess we can now clear Obama of being racist against white people since all the ones doing the complaining had jobs.
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You've turned into goldfly
 
cajunrevenge said:
I never changed, the Republican party went bat**** crazy. I am just trying to figure out the rules of the game but they keep changing and I cant keep track anymore.
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TDS has made a lot of people abandon their principles in order to be opposite of him.

You're in good company
 
sturg33 said:
TDS has made a lot of people abandon their principles in order to be opposite of him.

You're in good company
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The problem with libertarians in your mold is you do not live in the real world we live in.

You have no desire for pragmatic bipartisanship or practical compromise.

Cajun is a libertarian but he understands that Trump as President and the type of politics he symbolizes and represents is far more dangerous for the country if it ever has any hope of achieving bipartisanship or common ground to fix our problems than someone like Bernie or Warren. He also understands even if either of those 2 get elected, unless they have strong majorities and a filibuster proof senate they aren't going to get even a tenth of what they're campaigning on.
 
Individual-1 said:
The problem with libertarians in your mold is you do not live in the real world we live in.

You have no desire for pragmatic bipartisanship or practical compromise.

Cajun is a libertarian but he understands that Trump as President and the type of politics he symbolizes and represents is far more dangerous for the country if it ever has any hope of achieving bipartisanship or common ground to fix our problems than someone like Bernie or Warren. He also understands even if either of those 2 get elected, unless they have strong majorities and a filibuster proof senate they aren't going to get even a tenth of what they're campaigning on.
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Trump is more willing to compromise than any president we've had since probably Clinton.

He bends to whoever talks to him last.

But the left is too stupid to realize this
 
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sturg33 said:
Trump is more willing to compromise than any president we've had since probably Clinton.

He bends to whoever talks to him last.

But the left is too stupid to realize this
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Wut. If Trump were willing to compromise he would have had McConnell grabbed by the balls.

Trump knows McConnell is his safety net, way way way more than Harry Reid ever was for Obama.

Obama was actually in the room during negotiations for the grand bargain. He was head of the table for the entire health care summit. He went into the GOP House's retreat and took questions from all of them. When has Trump ever extended any sort of olive branch like that to Dems? If you read the actual reports from when Trump is in the same room as polished politicians he's an absolute joke.
 
Beginning of 2018, Pelosi and Schumer offered Trump the money he wanted for wall in exchange for Dreamer Protections. Trump wanted more and said no.

A year later the government shuts down and Trump asked for the exact same deal the Dems offered him 11 months prior to that because he was getting the heat for the infamous "I'll shut down the government and take the blame for it" bluff.

He then blame Dems for not caving in to the same deal he was offered.

The guy has no serious negotiation skills.
 
Like I said, the Dems are too.stupid to realize how easily Trump can be manipulated.

They're too busy claiming we're all going to die from him taking a ****, rather than stroking his ego and getting their ****ty agenda passed.

Ah well
 
McConnell takes most of the heat off Trump. He knows Donald is desperate for any sort of positive publicity.

McConnell also knows Trump is a lazy POS that doesn't care about getting things done. Hence why he just doesn't put anything up for vote from the house.
 
sturg33 said:
Like I said, the Dems are too.stupid to realize how easily Trump can be manipulated.

They're too busy claiming we're all going to die from him taking a ****, rather than stroking his ego and getting their ****ty agenda passed.

Ah well
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Wait. So you're saying, they should sacrifice their core principles of common decency just to stroke Trump's ego to get stuff done?

Trump can be manipulated for 5 minutes until his advisors and McConnell tell him not to do it. Then he doubles down and starts demanding the sky from Dems.

What you don't get, is the things Trump does outside the office are things people are NOT willing to look the other way for just to get something done.

That's more principled than you can say. It also will not solve the bipartisanship issue.

Republicans, as cajun has said, are playing the game on a different field than the dems caude they constsntly change the rules to whenever it suits them.
 
sturg33 said:
Correct. McConnell is actually smart and knows how to control Trump.
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So then it's a moot point.

Trump for whatever reason has no control over McConnell the same way Obama and Reid worked together.

Doesn't matter how much the Dems would get Trump to compromise, as the rest of House GOP wouldn't wanna vote with Dems nor would McConnell put it up to vote.

Again, you continue to show you have no idea how this game is played.
 
Of course I know how the game is played.

1. Demand to ban or take complete control of something.

2. Claim everyone will.die if you dont.

3. Call everyone nazis when you lose
 
cajunrevenge said:
I never changed, the Republican party went bat**** crazy. I am just trying to figure out the rules of the game but they keep changing and I cant keep track anymore.
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This, so much this. With the exception of some social issues, I'm basically in the same spot the GOP was pre-Reagan. Where Ford, Nixon, Ike, pretty much every pre-Reagan candidate was who wasn't named AuH2O. The so-called Rockerfeller Republicans. Now, somehow, the closest thing to that would be John Kasich, or in this race, Joe Biden, while both parties (but especially the GOP right now) have run as fast as possible towards their totalitarian extremes.
 
Snowman said:
This, so much this. With the exception of some social issues, I'm basically in the same spot the GOP was pre-Reagan. Where Ford, Nixon, Ike, pretty much every pre-Reagan candidate was who wasn't named AuH2O. The so-called Rockerfeller Republicans. Now, somehow, the closest thing to that would be John Kasich, or in this race, Joe Biden, while both parties (but especially the GOP right now) have run as fast as possible towards their totalitarian extremes.
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They both have abandoned principles which is why I support neither.

But why do you say the GOP has gone further to totalitarianism than the Left? I'd love specifics other than "TRUMP"
 
sturg33 said:
They both have abandoned principles which is why I support neither.

But why do you say the GOP has gone further to totalitarianism than the Left? I'd love specifics other than "TRUMP"
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Sorry, but that really is the answer. The day Bernie can actually win his party's nomination, much less become President, and/or the squad, Bernie, Warren, et al become something more than a loud minority contingent in Congress, that can be revisited. But the GOP already elected their wannabe fascist, and the majority of his colleagues in Congress are going right along with it for political purposes, while pissing and moaning about it off the record and in private because they don't have the intestinal fortitude to put country first.
 
Snowman said:
Sorry, but that really is the answer. The day Bernie can actually win his party's nomination, much less become President, and/or the squad, Bernie, Warren, et al become something more than a loud minority contingent in Congress, that can be revisited. But the GOP already elected their wannabe fascist, and the majority of his colleagues in Congress are going right along with it for political purposes, while pissing and moaning about it off the record and in private because they don't have the intestinal fortitude to put country first.
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But what policies, are being enacted or even proposed?

I can point to dozens from the left
 
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