2020 Field
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As if creepy Joe stands for anything. The whole party is moving towards marxism and iys obvious to anyone who isn't deranged.
cajunrevenge
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come now, he stands for marijuana prohibition, mass incarceration, funding the police, etc. You support those things right?
Tomahawking4life
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Both candidates suck. Didnt vote for either major party in 2016, wont be this year either. But I think the liberals need to go ahead and prepare for 4 more years of the orange clown. It's been what, 28 years since an incumbent lost an election? And Basement bound Biden isnt 1/100 of the candidate Clinton was.
acesfull86
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I’m not sure the old rules still apply. I think Trump is on course to be trounced...too many things going against him for an incumbent advantage to offset
Tomahawking4life
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Too many people said the same thing in 2004 with Bush vs. Kerry.
And let's be real, what does he bring to the table other then hes not the orange clown? Hes still a creepy dude who has trouble forming a coherent sentence. My in-laws are both lifelong Democrats, and even they aren't that excited about him as a candidate. They are just voting for him because "he isnt Trump." I just don't know if that's gonna be enough for a lot of independents.
We shall see, either way 2024 can't get here soon enough.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
i love that you go this just utterly dumb route lol
Mitt is still the same republican he was when he ran for president and this republican party/party of trumpism hates him
and it's the democrats who have shifted to an extreme stance in your opinion lol
Tomahawking4life
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Well in all fairness, both parties have shifted toward the extreme. Wouldn't you agree?
The Dems have nominated two centrists the last two elections. And Obama was hardly a progressive.
Pelosi and AOC does not mean the party has shifted far left. The Dems would not have won so many congressional seats in competitive districts if they were sending all AOCesque candidates.
The GOP has clearly gone off the cliff by needlessly following Trump into the flames of hell.
zbhargrove
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Kerry and Clinton never had leads across the board this big or anywhere close to it. The economy is a better predictor and the economy is obviously in awful shape.
Tomahawking4life
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Just cant trust the polls anymore since they overwhelmingly elected Hillary in 2016.
And can we even play the economy card since it was doing astonishingly well before the pandemic occured?
zbhargrove
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Yes we can play the economy card since Americans have zero memory. And considering people are overwhelmingly negative on Trumps pandemic handling, they kinda go hand in hand. Again... polls don’t tell you everything and Clinton had a big apparent lead but it was never this big. Clinton did still end up with sizably more popular vote wise. The problem for Trump is that it appears all of his battleground states have swung the other way and have swung hard
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
didn't the final polls in 2016 have very poorly chosen one losing the popular vote by 3 or 4 points
I remember looking at this graph at fivethirtyeight that had a shaded area depicting scenarios where he would lose the popular vote and win the electoral vote...I remember thinking those odds assigned to those outcomes were too high
I remember looking at this graph at fivethirtyeight that had a shaded area depicting scenarios where he would lose the popular vote and win the electoral vote...I remember thinking those odds assigned to those outcomes were too high
zbhargrove
Well-known member
Yeah the popular vote polls actually weren’t far off at all
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
There is a difference between voters who pulled the lever for very poorly chosen one because they didn't like Hilary or want conservative judges, and now say they don't like creepy joe and don't want a bunch of Marxists running the country
and those who look you in the eye and say very poorly chosen one is a great man and a great president...this last group I wonder about...if I had a child in that category I would try to get them some professional help
and those who look you in the eye and say very poorly chosen one is a great man and a great president...this last group I wonder about...if I had a child in that category I would try to get them some professional help
Runnin
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Moving towards marxism would be great!
The number of Covid deaths in the U.S. is moving towards 10 million dead.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
No
One has trump running, the other Biden
Biden is not far left. He’s moderate and mostly a centrist republican by any measure
That’s the opposite of “both sides have shifted extreme” or “both are the same”
cajunrevenge
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From what I recall Hillary dropped 5 points from a 7 to 2 percent lead after Comey told Congress the Hillary investigation was back on. She won the popular vote by 2.1 percent I believe. So not far off. In the individual states there was some variance. Most by 2 percent or less. The most I think was 7%. Some states actually under represented Hillary so there was no Trump bias. Voter turnout is a somewhat unknown variable no matter what you do. Many of the polls this time are including samples that assume the same variances in those states.
On a side note James Comey said he had to tell Congress because the NY office would have leaked it because they think Hillary is the anti-christ. It's almost as if the FBI committed a coup against Hillary. Someone should really investigate that.