Nope. It IS the entire Statcast era though.
2020 Trade Deadline Thread
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Nope. It IS the entire Statcast era though.
fair. it's certainly not worthless.
i think it's pretty obvious the Braves need another solid pitcher.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I would not deal Pache, Waters, Langeliers or Contreras for anyone rumored on the block other than Clevinger.
No way in a Seager trade. He's a big upgrade offensively and hits from the left side. He is owed a lot of money. He is close to his mid thirties. He has looked bad in the recent past. Plus he is on a crap team and there is not a huge demand for third baseman at the deadline.
I'd offer them Comargo, Touki and Folty. Folty just to help with the money and they can decide if they would want to take a flyer on his last year of control.
My worry is pitching is going to be really expensive b/c there are not many sellers and there are huge needs for lots of teams. I don't see the people fighting us for Seager, maybe the Nats?
GovClintonTyree
<B>Vencer a Los Doyers</B>
Seattle's not going to take our crap for Seager. Seager has plenty of value. He just doesn't have much excess value.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
why does he have value?
He's 33. He is owed 18.5 million next year and if he's traded he gets a player option at 15 million the next year. Covid is hurting teams. Labor disputes are coming. How many people want to pay Seager that kind of money?
He is an avg defender at best and getting older.
His current OPS is 875, love it. Last year 784. 2018 637. 2017 773. 2016 858. 2015 779.
He is essentially a league average 3B. How many playoff teams want a 3B? He is providing zero value to the Mariners now. They should trade him, put comargo at third, get a better draft pick and reallocate that money.
If they get a better offer, fine. He's not a guy they are going to get a draft pick for in compensation when he leaves at 35 years old.
If only...
And oh what a wonderful world we live in if AA could take on the money. Pivot and offer Riley and Langeliers for Clevinger and Wilson and Davidson for Lynn.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Heyman said Clevenger could bring back Frazier and Andujar from NYY. How/who do you beat that with?
Can't imagine you do without involving one of Waters or Pache.
Of course I'd bet that if Frazier and Andujar had been offered Clevinger would already be a Yankee.
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PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Have to disagree with that premise. Indians are starved for offense. Andujar and Frazier have contributed virtually nothing to Yanks this year. Waters and Pache have provided zero offense to date.
What???
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Andujar has been terrible, and NY never gives up Frazier even though he always rakes when he comes up.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
Just what I wrote. Frazier has played in 9 games this year and Andujar has done nothing. Check the Yanks stats and then look at the Indians stats. Nothing from the OF and nothing from catcher. Very little else. Almost worse offense in baseball.
Judge is going back on the IL, Stanton may not be back, Torres is a week away, LeMahieu further than that. and they've lost 5 straight - Frazier isn't likely going anywhere,
that doesn’t negate his point tho.
Frazier isn’t highly valuable, and i’d say Andujar has very little value. maybe Camargo-level?
the Indians wouldn’t take that deal. and Pache and Waters both are not the answer for Cleveland either.
I expect AA to add a generic arm to eat innings, while also working on an impact arm. Let’s say 99% chance he adds some form of bulk innings guy, and 50% chance he adds an impact SP.
Adding at least 1 multi inning arm (not necessarily a traditional “starting pitcher”) is about as close to a must have as there can be. Another Matzek to cover 2-3 innings twice a week could help tremendously. It would be shocking if AA didn’t address pitching.
Adding at least 1 multi inning arm (not necessarily a traditional “starting pitcher”) is about as close to a must have as there can be. Another Matzek to cover 2-3 innings twice a week could help tremendously. It would be shocking if AA didn’t address pitching.
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Pretty sure the Ms will take any player of decent value for Seagar. He's hitting well but that contract is awful and comes with another guaranteed year if traded. Touki or Newk should interest them. Folty has zero value since they already had a chance to claim him for free. Camargo is worth as much as any decent back up level player, which isn't much. But highly doubtful we trade him since that would leave us with Culby and Heche to back up SS and 2b and a LH pinch hitter gone.
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He definitely has no trade value, but it's not that hard to see him going back in a deal where were taking on money. The receiving team would more or less be getting the chance to sign him as a short-term free-agent without bidding against anyone else for him if he's showing signs of a return to form and they choose to keep him. Admittedly that's not overly valuable, but he shouldn't get a huge raise in arbitration and very few one-year contracts have ever been considered "bad". If he happens to bounce back you get a steal for a year - if he somehow turns back into an All-Star you can hang a QO on him.
If I were in AA's shoes and a Seager deal was being discussed, I'd use that as a kind of meet me halfway carrot - "Look Jerry, I get why you don't want to take Ender's contract back but I just can't take on all of Seager's money this year given the circumstances. I'm guessing you don't have anyone else lined up to take it on either. We want him and can afford him in 2021 and 2022 - and I'm willing to give you Touki for him, but you've got to help me fit him on my books by taking Folty back - if you decide you don't want him moving forward you're not really out anything and you've gotten Seager's contract off your books."
Just a guess, but that's probably the type of discussion being had by all GMs this week since the vast majority of owners are leery of adding ANY money right now. If you send Folty back to San Francisco in a potential Gausman deal you're not adding much salary and he'd probably be a fit in their 2021 rotation.
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Assuming Gausman isn't a candidate as a "generic arm", what about Alex Cobb? Hadn't realized how much of his money was deferred. If they'd eat his 2023-2032 deferrals ($18 million) and take Ender back, would you give them Wilson or more for him? Ender wouldn't hurt them as the clubhouse veteran presence next season. They could platoon him with Hays with Santander and Mancini on the corners and would make Nunez or Mountcastle a full-time 1B with the other one platooning with Davis at DH.
There's your veteran innings-eater for both this year and next without spending much prospect capital or adding a ton of salary.
If you could then pivot and put together a package good enough to land Lynn you're looking at a playoff rotation of Lynn/Fried/Cobb/Hamels/Anderson and a 2021 rotation of Lynn/Fried/Soroka/Cobb/Anderson.
Bowman's latest article says "they've" (careful not to attribute the quote to AA) indicated they're looking at Pitchers with expiring contracts. That's great in a bubble, but sure limits the options and would make it much easier than usual to pin down who he's targeting. Who's out there on an expiring deal other than Gausman, Perez, and Minor unless you consider guys like Boyd who are arbitration-eligible as being on an expiring contract?
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