2020 Trade Deadline Thread

The question of the day comes down to what/who do we really have that has trade value and what will they bring back in return. If you refuse to trade the top 4 or so prospects then you need to look at the ML roster. Bingo. There really isnt much if anyone there who we can afford to part with that would not cripple the team.
 
Horsehide Harry said:
MLB couldn't directly go hard after two icons of the game in JS and Hart. So they went after the franchise. Coppy and his henchmen got theirs in other ways. Only thing that makes sense.
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I've always thought that MLB has been a bit hard on the Braves' over the years and it largely relates to the other owners' disdain for Ted Turner. Lords of the Realm by Jon Helyar is a great book (a little dated now) and in it there is an episode during one of the labor negotiations that either was on the verge of (or did) break down, Turner addressed the other owners with this classic quote (and I think I have it right): "Boys, we've got the only legal monopoly in the country and we're f*cking it up." Turner was a real aggravation to that stick-up-the-a** crowd and I think the folks in charge of the game are still making the Braves pay for that. I'll put my tinfoil hat back on now.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
The question of the day comes down to what/who do we really have that has trade value and what will they bring back in return. If you refuse to trade the top 4 or so prospects then you need to look at the ML roster. Bingo. There really isnt much if anyone there who we can afford to part with that would not cripple the team.
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i couldn't disagree more.

I will site as evidence every trade AA has made as the Braves GM. He has gotten value for not much again and again. Gausman didn't work out great the second year but he was a big help for us down the stretch. That was a starting pitcher, with pedigree and another year of ARB for almost nothing.

Every year MLB teams dump money. This year teams will want to dump money MORE. It's not always you have to give to get.

Now you are not going to get big impact guys IMO. But I'm not paying those prices.

Again, this year is too short and too volatile. If we get Lynn he is going to make 5 starts for us this year. Maybe 6. Then it's the playoffs and who knows. If you go the world series he makes maybe 10 starts.

Next year control is big. I get that. But next year isn't much better. COVID could still be an issue. There is a major labor dispute. You might have a strike next year. You are likely to have half the league not paying any money.

The following year is a work stoppage.

I want Pache and Waters so I can fall back on an Acuna, Pache, Waters OF next year or the year after. The defense will be incredible. Acuna will be incredible. So I think I'm going to get at least avg WAR out of this group. If either Waters or Pache hit I'm plus. If one hits well or both hit some I have a very good OF I can play everyday on young legs. In 2021 that OF costs me about 6 million. In 2020 it costs me about 17 million because Acuna gets his biggest pay jump.

I want both catchers. TDA is on for one more year. Contreras showed he can catch and hit. I can use Jackson to get an extra year of control. Then the following year when the work stoppage is resolved I fee like I can get avg or better catcher production for those two for about 1 million total.

That gives me flexibility to deal with the uncertainty of the next two years. And the uncertainty of what Liberty will do with the payroll (especially if the battery is not back next year).
 
clvclv said:
Maybe, maybe not - but that misses the point. IF Seattle wanted Seager off the books and wanted Touki enough it's a "take it or leave it" situation. You tell DiPoto that there's no way we can afford to fit Seager onto our books this year unless he takes one of Folty or Ender back. My assumption is that DiPoto would prefer Folty in that situation since he wouldn't have to pay him a dime next season if he chooses not to.

Since everything that goes on in Gwinnett these days is a State Secret, Folty goes to their alternate site for a few weeks and DiPoto gets his eyes on him and decides whether he's worth the $6.5 million to them without having to bid against anybody for him. Maybe he watches him for 3 weeks and decides he's worth $4 million to them. They non-tender him with much more information about where his arm and head are than anyone else has when teams start to bid on free-agents. If he doesn't pitch for them after the trade, the last thing other teams have seen from him is the start that got him sent down.

If he wows them, they can keep him. If not, they got enough of a feel for him to make a decision to make him an offer as a free-agent much easier to make.
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agree 100%.

If you have to send a couple of million bucks in a deal, I'd rather take on a couple of million bucks from Folty. I play him on my bad team. If Folty is still bad, then I get a better pick and cut him. If Folty is actually decent, then I have an asset I can trade next year.

Plus for casual fans you can tell them you traded for an all star pitcher.
 
Seeing Foltynewicz is no longer on the 40-man roster, is he a free agent after the season under the 6-year minor league free agency rule?
 
50PoundHead said:
Cobb to the Braves for Ynoa was a suggested trade in a non-Bowman article earlier in the week at mlb.com. Don't know how I feel about that one. I'm not big on Perez, but I think anyone on an expiring contract that can eat innings will be on the radar.
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Perez is about the most generic low risk arm available. I fully expect him to be a Brave.
 
clvclv said:
Not very, but if he were sent to someone in a cost-cutting move they'd have the better part of a month to work with and get a long look at him. If he fought whatever number they put on him, he likely doesn't get much of a raise if any. When you consider that guys like Gausman and Julio got $9 million on one-year deals last winter, getting a guy with Folty's upside for ~ $6.5 million wouldn't be a bad deal - especially for a rebuilding team.
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Folty is EXACTLY the type of arm a rebuilding team should sign to a 1 year deal with an option, and then try to flip him at the deadline.

Unless he gets his act together by the end of this year, I can't imagine the Braves wasting any resources on him in 2021. What a shame.
 
PawPawMaxwell said:
The question of the day comes down to what/who do we really have that has trade value and what will they bring back in return. If you refuse to trade the top 4 or so prospects then you need to look at the ML roster. Bingo. There really isnt much if anyone there who we can afford to part with that would not cripple the team.
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I've speculated from opening day that since other teams can't scout prospects, and haven't seen most of them in over a year, the most valuable pieces will be MLB-ready guys who are known quantities. Guys like Wilson, Newk, Touki, Camargo, Wright, and Riley can give a team many years of a 1-2 win player in exchange for a few months of an impact MLB talent. I have a feeling some teams will prefer that to a prospect nobody has seen in a year.

My opinion is the Braves are in prime position to pull off a major deal from a prospect perspective due to all their good-not-great young MLB-ready players, but I have no idea what kind of cash they will be able to add. The current situation makes everything we used to know about valuing trades pretty much obsolete. I mean, how valuable is a postseason appearance when there is no revenue from attendance? Is the extra TV money a team gets for making the postseason even worth spending another dime on payroll? Or is it smarter to cut payroll and rake in the share of postseason TV revenue?
 
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Enscheff said:
I've speculated from opening day that since other teams can't scout prospects, and haven't seen most of them in over a year, the most valuable pieces will be MLB-ready guys who are known quantities. Guys like Wilson, Newk, Touki, Camargo, Wright, and Riley can give a team many years of a 1-2 win player in exchange for a few months of an impact MLB talent. I have a feeling some teams will prefer that to a prospect nobody has seen in a year.

My opinion is the Braves are in prime position to pull off a major deal from a prospect perspective due to all their good-not-great young MLB-ready players, but I have no idea what kind of cash they will be able to add. The current situation makes everything we used to know about valuing trades pretty much obsolete. I mean, how valuable is a postseason appearance when there is no revenue from attendance? Is the extra TV money a team gets for making the postseason even worth spending another dime on payroll? Or is it smarter to cut payroll and rake in the share of postseason TV revenue?
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Your major league asset plan might be more true with the weird trade rules this season. You can only trade guys on the 60 man. Maybe a PTBNL is a way around that rule.

What do people think the value of Plesac is? Solid pitcher with upside. Lots of control. But the Indians say they don't have a spot for him.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/sports...level/95-c7ddbfc3-4574-4a3e-9713-b2d2040f7ade
 
Russ2dollas said:
if he's this year and next year I definitely want him. If he is owed 15 million the next year, I'm not so sure.

I just don't think he has much value to mariners. 3B is an area of need for the Nats, Brewers and Blue Jays. Maybe those guys make it a bidding war.

I just don't think we should have to give up much to get him. Not much surplus value. Getting older. Owners are scared to spend money this year and next year.

If they paid his way, then I think you have to give up one of our catchers. If we pay his way I just don't see much surplus value other than it's a seller's market.
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I kinda thought that if we were getting Walker or Gonzales with him. By himself, I'm not so sure...

"Third baseman Kyle Seager is the lone remaining veteran with much trade value, though his contract situation -- $18 million for 2021 and a $15 million team option for ’22 that turns into a player option if he’s traded -- remains a sticking point. The Mariners have shown a willingness to take on some of the remaining money to deal other veterans, but they don’t have any elite third-base prospect waiting in the wings, and Seager has been a steadying force on this young club."

While not likely considered an "elite" 3B prospect by anyone anymore, Riley would certainly fit as their 3B of the near-future and would help with the fanbase because they're liable to promote their next wave of prospects (Kelenic and Kirby) early next season, and may even add Rodriguez and Hancock by late next season or early 2022. An offer of Folty and Riley for Seager is liable to net AA enough cash coming back to make it a salary-neutral deal for the rest of this year - and possibly a little more.

And for those that like great clubhouse additions, he'd definitely be one - grew up in Charlotte, went to Carolina, and watched the Chipper/Tex/Frenchy/Mac Braves religiously. Pretty sure he'd love to play on a contender here.
 
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clvclv said:
I kinda thought that if we were getting Walker or Gonzales with him. By himself, I'm not so sure...

"Third baseman Kyle Seager is the lone remaining veteran with much trade value, though his contract situation -- $18 million for 2021 and a $15 million team option for ’22 that turns into a player option if he’s traded -- remains a sticking point. The Mariners have shown a willingness to take on some of the remaining money to deal other veterans, but they don’t have any elite third-base prospect waiting in the wings, and Seager has been a steadying force on this young club."

While not likely considered an "elite" 3B prospect by anyone anymore, Riley would certainly fit as their 3B of the near-future and would help with the fanbase because they're liable to promote their next wave of prospects (Kelenic and Kirby) early next season, and may even add Rodriguez and Hancock by late next season or early 2022. An offer of Folty and Riley for Seager is liable to net AA enough cash coming back to make it a salary-neutral deal for the rest of this year - and possibly a little more.

And for those that like great clubhouse additions, he'd definitely be one - grew up in Charlotte, went to Carolina, and watched the Chipper/Tex/Frenchy/Mac Braves religiously. Pretty sure he'd love to play on a contender here.
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Trading Riley straight up for Seager would be an interesting move.

I just don't see them moving Gonzales. He's too cheap for too long. They have to think with their young sluggers they will be competing before the end of his deal.
 
Seager shouldn't cost much at all if the team is willing to assume his entire salary. He has at most 5 million in surplus value which realistically is a nothing burger in a trade. I could see a somewhat decent prospect going for him though with the Mariners taking on some of the salary.
 
Southcack77 said:
So that would be a minimum salary of 5.14m for Folty.

How often do arb salaries go backwards for a player who has had as much success in his past as Folty?
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Usually doesn't happen. It's why most teams in this situation just cut the guy and said player will generally sign somewhere else at a reduced rate.
 
If I’m the Ms I eat as much money as required to get a talented arm like Touki and see if my pitching development team can get him figured out.

They can afford to play the upside game with an arm a current contender can’t wait on any longer.
 
Enscheff said:
If I’m the Ms I eat as much money as required to get a talented arm like Touki and see if my pitching development team can get him figured out.

They can afford to play the upside game with an arm a current contender can’t wait on any longer.
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They would have to eat a lot of salary for Touki...that’s steep.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Trading Riley straight up for Seager would be an interesting move.

I just don't see them moving Gonzales. He's too cheap for too long. They have to think with their young sluggers they will be competing before the end of his deal.
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That was my point - if you're not looking to get a Pitcher coming back from them, Riley and Folty for Seager alone might be one of those few trades that's good for both teams.

Then AA still has all the arms to go out and create packages (if needed) for another SP. If he could emerge for his interview Monday after the deadline having added Seager, Martin Perez, and Alex Cobb while only giving up Folty, Riley, Ynoa, and one of Wilson/Newk/Touki I can't imagine that I'd be the only person here dancing in the streets.
 
thewupk said:
Is it though? Man I'd gladly do 5 years of Touki for 2 years of Seager plus cash.

The Braves need move guys like Touki before they are worthless in a trade.
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He a pretty talented and unique arm. I wouldn’t say he will be worthless soon. You can almost count on one of these five guys that have struggled to put it together in the next year and because they are all mainly high ceiling guys....that would sting.

We are at the point already to where they have lost value from what they were as prospects.

It would need to be a lot of cash.
 
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