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No, you can also discourage criminal activity by addressing the root causes of people turning to criminal behavior.
We also have evidence that suggests stricter punishment does not materially impact criminal activity: https://famm.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/04/The-Case-against-Mandatory-Minimum-Sentences.pdf
To suggest we just need to be tougher on crime ignores both the psychology and economics of crime.
Crime is done by a small subset of the population - They have been more emboldened because of ideology like yours. Our cities are disgusting and unsafe as a result.
We need to return to a high trust society and the only way that happens is with tougher punishments.
Crime is a choice. Poverty, for the most part, is a choice (over a long period of time). Excuses Excuses Excuses.
Tapate50
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thethe- with all due respect. Joe Biden is a vegetable. He wasn't going to recover from that debate. He was done, finished, out to pasture.
I’m once again not doubting this outcome, but “officials with data getting bullish over the past 48 hours” because Harris’ lead is only at 3% and a poll in Wisconsin went sideways is not the kind of analysis that has me panicked.
Oh I agree - He was forced to debate because of Trumps presence. He would have never debated if it was anyone else is my contention.
But even with his dementia Biden was still the best candidate the Dems had and still remained extremely popular amongst Democrats/Indepdendents.
Oh I agree - He was forced to debate because of Trumps presence. He would have never debated if it was anyone else is my contention.
But even with his dementia Biden was still the best candidate the Dems had and still remained extremely popular amongst Democrats/Indepdendents.
You can't make up how pathetic pro-criminal/deviant people are - Its why our cities have collapsed.
“For the most part” and “over a long period of time” are nice hedges, but many individuals just don’t have the same resources, opportunities or capabilities of others. You can’t pull yourself up out of poverty just by working hard.
And if we just need more enforcement on crime to reduce it, why has there not been a significant correlation between the two when attempted in the past?
You 100% can pull yourself out of poverty by working hard. Saying anything otherwise is loser mentality.
You can't go from poverty to middle class easily with just hard work but one generation of hard work to get to lower middle class and then your children can reach incredible heights.
Do you not know what Giuliani did in NYC? Just need to let police be police and not have whiny leftists talking about how mean and unfair they are.
Couldn’t tell you, friend. All we know is a dog was tied up. I’m not claiming criminal activity shouldn’t be punished, nor am I suggesting what happened here isn’t disgusting or worthy of punishment. I just don’t like the state putting their thumb on the scale by publicly calling for harsh punishments of alleged crimes.
Tapate50
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Can't? As in not possible? I don't believe that for a second. Whoever is telling you that gave up a long time ago.
Half the idiots on the internet got started becoming famous for uploading content to youtube.
By my calculations that took some type of phone with a camera on it and a wifi connection somewhere.
Tapate50
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Well, tbh the road was laid for Giuliani by a bold Senator from Delaware who stood for stop and frisk laws.
Back when the Democrat party wasn't crazy - When I aligned with them.
Don’t be intentionally dense about this. You know there’s a difference between how I’m using can’t and how you’re using can’t here. Hard work is not sufficient on its own to pull someone out of poverty. There’s a ton of circumstances that can reduce someone’s ability to get out of the cycle of poverty, and some are largely out of the direct control of the impoverished.
I’m not diving deep here but as one example I’ve seen plenty of extremely talented low wage earners in my career that had childcare difficulties that prevented them from keeping their jobs. Our system offers low flexibility for those without either the experience or education to get into more flexible work arrangements.
You said poverty - Low wage earners isn't poverty.
And there are countless state funded programs for early childhood and after school programs for parents.
It also helps when children are coneived via a loving relationship so both parents are around.
People are continously impoverished by choice in majority of circumstances.
We have a plethora of governemnt assisstance (which I support) for these people as well.
What in the actual **** do you think poverty is?
I’ve seen all those programs in place for these workers and still not be enough. If the daycare closes or your kid is sick and can’t stay at daycare, you have to miss work. Almost every company has a strict attendance policy that life doesn’t align with perfectly.
We also need to differentiate between some isolated choices like having unprotected sex that results in a child and a pattern of behavior where you just don’t work hard.