2024 Field

Garmel said:
From what I'm seeing the number seems to be around +2 Trump.
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Yeah I doubt his ceiling is any more than that unless Biden continues to **** **** up which is guess is super likely.

Trump +2 is a devastating landslide. New Jersey in play. Maybe even NY.
 
thethe said:
Please provide the support for those maintenance costs. The wall diverts flow so you can more efficiently police the border. Not even sure what the debate is here. All those things you said can still be done and their jobs will be easier with a wall.
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They are literally either climbing over the wall or damaging certain portions of it.

And here is a couple articles about the maintenance costs:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9f3cfc-2e49-11ea-bcd4-24597950008f_story.html

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun..._and_diminishing_returns_of_a_border_wall.pdf
 
Carp said:
They are literally either climbing over the wall or damaging certain portions of it.

And here is a couple articles about the maintenance costs:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...9f3cfc-2e49-11ea-bcd4-24597950008f_story.html

https://www.americanimmigrationcoun..._and_diminishing_returns_of_a_border_wall.pdf
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Can't bypass the paywall on WAPO for some reason.

The second source is from an organization that is dedicated to expanding all forms of immigration. I'd take anything they say as a negative on the wall as affirmation the wall is effective.
 
Carp said:
Aside from Trump's legal issues, everything you said is applicable to any GOP nominee. But it's quite clear that none of the other GOP nominees are popular enough to beat Trump. I understand you think MAGA is a cult. And for people like thethe it is. But well over 50% of Republicans are voting Trump. It's hard to just blame the cult in that scenario because 50% of Republicans are not MAGA cult members.

And Trumps court hearings aren't affecting his popularity much, if at all. Cult members are voting for Trump no matter what. Most Republicans will vote Trump no matter what. And I think most independents are probably fairly educated and realize the indictments and the legal issues Trump is facing is quite largely a political ploy. If we removed his name from the ballot tomorrow and said he was backing Joe Biden, all of those court dates would magically get thrown out within a week.
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I don't think an incumbent president only getting 50% of support in the party is strength.

And turnout was way down in Iowa. And republican turnout was down in NH (independent/dem turnout was higher)

Clearly he is the most popular person in the party but unless you've been under a rock the last 7 years, the party isn't popular in general elections. MAGA has lost consistently across the board since 2018 (save for RDS).

I just think he's a turnout machine for the left and believe the evidence continues to prove that over and over and over again
 
nsacpi said:
What can I say. Maybe the judge was being unfair. Grounds for appeal!!
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I have a NeverTrumper lawyer friend who believed that Trump deserved to be impeached (we argue this all of the time) has looked at these civil and criminal cases and he believes they're bunk. If he believes they're BS I think I'm on the right track.
 
thethe said:
Can't bypass the paywall on WAPO for some reason.

The second source is from an organization that is dedicated to expanding all forms of immigration. I'd take anything they say as a negative on the wall as affirmation the wall is effective.
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I mean the info is literally a google click away. Border Wall maintenance costs were at 270+ million in 2017 however.

Here is another one from Fox:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tru...ill-actually-cost-according-to-a-statistician
 
sturg33 said:
I don't think an incumbent president only getting 50% of support in the party is strength.

And turnout was way down in Iowa. And republican turnout was down in NH (independent/dem turnout was higher)

Clearly he is the most popular person in the party but unless you've been under a rock the last 7 years, the party isn't popular in general elections. MAGA has lost consistently across the board since 2018 (save for RDS).

I just think he's a turnout machine for the left and believe the evidence continues to prove that over and over and over again
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This isn't factual.
 
Carp said:
I mean the info is literally a google click away. Border Wall maintenance costs were at 270+ million in 2017 however.

Here is another one from Fox:

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tru...ill-actually-cost-according-to-a-statistician
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That’s wasn’t the border wall that Trump wanted so great context. This is where you say I’m in a cult.

That was the fencing that was designed to be replaced.

So again - get your facts straight. The wall is a great component of borer security.
 
thethe said:
That’s wasn’t the border wall that Trump wanted so great context. This is where you say I’m in a cult.

That was the fencing that was designed to be replaced.

So again - get your facts straight. The wall is a great component of borer security.
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LOL it doesn't matter. Maintenance costs aren't going to magically go significantly down with Trump's wall when it is significantly longer and more intricate and takes a lot more to maintain. There is nothing to suggests that it will go down, except your opinion.
 
Garmel said:
True, but RDS helped Trump by eliminating the election chicanery that Florida was known for.
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Yeah and the Trump people got RDS over the hump by stopping that **** in 2018. RDS saw it up close and personal which is why he rightly destroyed the snipes of the world. Good on him. Wish kemp would do the same.
 
Carp said:
LOL it doesn't matter. Maintenance costs aren't going to magically go significantly down with Trump's wall when it is significantly longer and more intricate and takes a lot more to maintain. There is nothing to suggests that it will go down, except your opinion.
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There is nothing to suggest there would be high costs. Nothing you presented does it because it’s based on the fact that permanent fixtures were not erected. The ones that trump was going to place.
 
thethe said:
Oh and the murdochs? They are like the rest of the “principled conservatives”. They want illegal immigration.
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LMAO.

Dude, the information is littered over the internet.

Let's some proof to the contrary. Let's see these low maintenance figures.
 
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