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mqt said:
I… don’t think he’s done this at all. He’s shaken up the Pro-Life crowd, but is still the guy who helped make sure Roe was overturned and is at best squishy on abortion in a race against a woman who’s made it a staple of her campaign to fight for reproductive rights. And I’m willing to give Trump credit! If he wins and governs fairly toward this subject I’ll happily admit I’m thankful for that, but it does seem like a risky move when many devout Christians basically only like him for what he’ll deliver them on these issues.
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the idea that the left doesn't tie Trump to abortion bans is absurd.

but he's managed to alienate a big part of his base. hope he converts enough cat ladies in this political calculus
 
mqt said:
I… don’t think he’s done this at all. He’s shaken up the Pro-Life crowd, but is still the guy who helped make sure Roe was overturned and is at best squishy on abortion in a race against a woman who’s made it a staple of her campaign to fight for reproductive rights. And I’m willing to give Trump credit! If he wins and governs fairly toward this subject I’ll happily admit I’m thankful for that, but it does seem like a risky move when many devout Christians basically only like him for what he’ll deliver them on these issues.
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Most people understand that the country is much more pro abortion than pro life so the reasonable people get what Trump is doing. Pro life policies fail in red states and these groups are trying to wrap federal abortion bans around trumps neck before an election. Morons.

Conversely - Kamala is a monster who would allow abortion up until birth and majority of country doesn’t approve of that. I sincerely hope a big conversation on abortion is part of a debate so the country can see Trump is right.
 
thethe said:
Trumps policies are very aligned with a lot of project 2025 because those advisors have trumps ear.

Trump will continue to push abortion policies that a majority of the country can support because without votes all your soap box bitching means nothing.
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my question is what do you need to see for him to have delivered on the things you claim to care about - but that we must win first?

what are the must haves of his presidency he must deliver on or else you're out on trump and need to find someone who can actually deliver?
 
sturg33 said:
my question is what do you need to see for him to have delivered on the things you claim to care about - but that we must win first?

what are the must haves of his presidency he must deliver on or else you're out on trump and need to find someone who can actually deliver?
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Deporting 5-10m illegals minimum and tarffis on China. The rest to me is gravy and the real changes happen under Vance.
 
thethe said:
Most people understand that the country is much more pro abortion than pro life so the reasonable people get what Trump is doing. Pro life policies fail in red states and these groups are trying to wrap federal abortion bans around trumps neck before an election. Morons.

Conversely - Kamala is a monster who would allow abortion up until birth and majority of country doesn’t approve of that. I sincerely hope a big conversation on abortion is part of a debate so the country can see Trump is right.
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I think you might need to be a bit more fearful of the unreasonable people then.
 
thethe said:
Most people understand that the country is much more pro abortion than pro life so the reasonable people get what Trump is doing. Pro life policies fail in red states and these groups are trying to wrap federal abortion bans around trumps neck before an election. Morons.

Conversely - Kamala is a monster who would allow abortion up until birth and majority of country doesn’t approve of that. I sincerely hope a big conversation on abortion is part of a debate so the country can see Trump is right.
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I think you might need to be a bit more fearful of the unreasonable people then.
 
sturg33 said:
and if this doesn't happen you will no longer give a **** what Donald trump ever says again?
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If he doesn’t get these things done nobody will care what he has to say again.

Fortunately, these will be implemented almost immediately after being sworn in so I won’t have to worry about it.
 
thethe said:
Still waiting on you to describe this 180 I’ve made.
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if I felt like digging up the posts I would. but if memoryy serves you were staunchly anti abortion. repulsed by it. Called it an excuse to have senseless sex, etc.

today you are attacking "pro life orgs" (not differentiating any of them) and mocking their ability to raise money in the future. you have called the pro life bills in GA, FL and others, terrible strategy. And you do not want the leader of the party to try to stop a monstrous bill in which he has enormous influence.

and you can save the bandwidth - I know you're talking points. "I still think it's monstrous. but I understand STRATEGY!!. we must never actually implement policy when we win because that will stop us from winning and then even more abortions will happen. kill the babies in Florida today so that we can one day have a culture that will work to eventually change the bill a few decades from now"
 
thethe said:
Unreasonable people are ones like sturg who effectively help nominate monsters like Harris
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well I didn't have any say in the nomination of Kamala Harris, and I won't move the needle in the Texas electoral college.

but I do hope there are enough people like me that can influence the "conservative" party to not meet my enemy exactly where they are

pessimistic about that, though
 
sturg33 said:
if I felt like digging up the posts I would. but if memoryy serves you were staunchly anti abortion. repulsed by it. Called it an excuse to have senseless sex, etc.

today you are attacking "pro life orgs" (not differentiating any of them) and mocking their ability to raise money in the future. you have called the pro life bills in GA, FL and others, terrible strategy. And you do not want the leader of the party to try to stop a monstrous bill in which he has enormous influence.

and you can save the bandwidth - I know you're talking points. "I still think it's monstrous. but I understand STRATEGY!!. we must never actually implement policy when we win because that will stop us from winning and then even more abortions will happen. kill the babies in Florida today so that we can one day have a culture that will work to eventually change the bill a few decades from now"
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So not a 180 then

Got it
 
chop2chip said:
I’m surprised someone got away with using “master” in the file name. Must not have taken that course yet in their employee training.

I’m happy the DNC published that though I guess it doesn’t really answer the question about what policies Kamala is going to pursue does it.
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Master is an aspirational word and increasingly realized aspiration for us people of color. Personally I prefer Lord, but some find that sacrilegious. People are too sensitive.
 
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Kamala ****s in her pants anytime this woman’s name is mentioned after Gabbard mopped the floor with Harris and ended her run for President last time!
 
Both parties are in flux phase. The Dems are spreading to the right and the GOP is disintegrating because of an old man who wants to be a dictator. What will they both look like in 20 years?

MAGA has left the central tenets of conservatism like patriotism and opportunity exposed and the Dems are deftly seizing the opportunity, or at least trying to. Previous conservative elites all over the map are endorsing Harris and while MAGA Man gets JFK,Jr and Tulsi Gabbard. It looks like the great demographic shift the GOP has feared for decades may be arriving, but ironically getting the final push from women and young voters.

The Dems have a huge opportunity given to them by the GOP's inability to jettison the parasite DJT who isn't a conservative or a republican, but has only taken control of their party for his own selfish ambition and whims.
 
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