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Tapate50
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That WOULD be hilarious.
"Independents hate Trump"
"Trump is not liked"
Where did you get that information Strug?
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This is the scum that represents Republican voters.
They dont' care about the Speakers job being easy. They just care that they can pass bills the American people don't want without being held accountable.
Some dirty **** is happening in Ukraine. These pathetic POS are doing whatever it takes to make sure the spigot is left on.
This is the scum that represents Republican voters.
They dont' care about the Speakers job being easy. They just care that they can pass bills the American people don't want without being held accountable.
Some dirty **** is happening in Ukraine. These pathetic POS are doing whatever it takes to make sure the spigot is left on.
sturg33
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2018, 2020. 2021, and 2022
acesfull86
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I love how “he avoided a government shutdown” is thrown out by Mitch as “something (for McCarthy) to be proud of.”
As if going to the precipice of a shutdown over and over and over again isn’t entirely a problem of Congress’ own making because they refuse to do their jobs.
sturg33
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It's good that he spoke to these issues... but like most of his political career, it's been all talk. He didn't execute. But it's good that people are awake and energized to important issues. Now we need a competent focused operator to take to next level of execution.
Even if you believe the covid spending was justified (I, of course reject that and think it was horrific)... He had bigger deficits in his first three year than Obama had in his last four. I'm glad Gaetz is upset about $33T but I suspect if I looked, he voted for a huge amount of it
Soft on Trump? How about acknowledging the mountains of context I've discussed with you ad nauseum. Despite what has happened to you the last 12 months the voters are overwhelmingly on my side of this debate. We all saw what was happening in real time. Not only did Trump have to fight the Marxists but he had to fight the POS eGOP within his own party knifing him in the back every chance they got.
But in reality - There was nobody that was going to challenge Trump this cycle. Majority of R's KNOW the election was stolen so from their position Trump was the incumbent and would always have been the nominee.
Its been a big waste of time and money but ultimately it was always the eGOP goal to fracture the portion of the party that always held their nose while voting for Trump.
Again - This is not an indictment of RDS at all. He did what he thought was best for him and his family but he made a massive mistake and most likely will never be president (which is a shame).
sturg33
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What I'm asking you is what campaign could he have run that would have made it more successful?
I see the trump team constantly saying he's running the worst campaign ever and blah blah... I don't understand what he's doing wrong... my biggest criticism is he has just been way too soft on Trump, while Trump visiouly attacks and lies about him daily.
I see the trump team constantly saying he's running the worst campaign ever and blah blah... I don't understand what he's doing wrong... my biggest criticism is he has just been way too soft on Trump, while Trump visiouly attacks and lies about him daily.
Framing anything from the Trump administration as a failure without FIRST discussing the context that he was under was hte massive mistake. You may not like it but thats what the voters think.
Not standing up IMMEDIATELY against the weaponization against Trump (not some generic statement about weaponization).
Not flip flopping on Ukraine in less than 48 hours.
sturg33
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obviously flip flopping doesn't actually bother you because trump does it daily. he was pretty adamant that he'd happily arm Ukraine to the teeth
so you believe RDS' issue is he was too TOUGH on Trump?
You still don't get the flip flop and how its different than arming Ukraine. Thats your issue and I've tried to help you understand that but nothing got through to you.
No - I think criticism of outcomes during hte Trump administration is fair game. But his framing of it by laying it solely at the feet of Trump was not only wrong but deceitful and hte voters saw through that.
sturg33
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Do you have a specific example of an RDS criticism of Trump that left out important context that voters saw through?
From my perspective, if he fails to win, it will be for two reasons:
1. The cult is much stronger than I had ever anticipated - and this is playing out in front of my eyes
2. He was too scared to hit Trump consistently from the start, because he was worried about offending the cult. He was probably right about that, as we have seen... as the cult now despises the man for even the slightest criticism of their god. But what's clear now is the cult cannot be reached, and it's time to appeal to the rest of the people. But it's quite possible the cult is now the majority of the party, which is a shame