msstate7
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Gamble, for sure. Coulda just used the money on a known commoditySo it was a smart gamble.
Gamble, for sure. Coulda just used the money on a known commoditySo it was a smart gamble.
If the Braves took that route and signed a known commodity with that cash for 1 year we'd be in the same exact spot we are right now. The idea was to trade a surplus of cash for 1 season for a potential LF regular who wouldn't cost much the remaining 3-4 years.Gamble, for sure. Coulda just used the money on a known commodity
Not many known Commodity's you'd get for Kelenic's salary, we barely traded any assets to get him. The only upside guy we included was COle Phillips who hasn't pitched a professional inning (was drafted in 2022) because he's been on the 60 Day IL since October 2022.Gamble, for sure. Coulda just used the money on a known commodity
Fletcher's money has to accounted for tooNot many known Commodity's you'd get for Kelenic's salary, we barely traded any assets to get him. The only upside guy we included was COle Phillips who hasn't pitched a professional inning (was drafted in 2022) because he's been on the 60 Day IL since October 2022.
Looking at Spotrac, the cheapest OFs that were signed 2023/4 offseason. Aaron Hicks 740K, Tony Kemp 1M, and Jurrickson Profar at 1M. Obviously Profar awas great but that was not seen by anyone. And all those were 1 year deals. The longer term guys like Gurriel and Soler signed for 3 years 40+ million.
So they got nothing then or now. When the team has an obvious hole for the rest of this window, I prefer to play it safe. Now if you target a Kelenic that we aren't leaning on for production, swing awayIf the Braves took that route and signed a known commodity with that cash for 1 year we'd be in the same exact spot we are right now. The idea was to trade a surplus of cash for 1 season for a potential LF regular who wouldn't cost much the remaining 3-4 years.
I'm not a genius, but I guess they looked at his power numbers in Seattle and thought he would be better moving to Atlanta. But really you're right, whatever model they ran that said Kelenic would be a diamond in the rough, should be adjusted.Of the 3 gambles AA took that off season the biggest risk was Sale never staying healthy. In fact, he's been injured the time the Braves needed him most last October, and broke a rib landing on perfectly manicured grass.
Rolling the dice on Kelenic turning into the LF version of Riley was reasonable. The thing they need to learn from is WHY they thought he could improve, and tweak whatever model suggested he could.
But money is money and you can only spend a dollar once. There's all this barking about resetting the luxury tax and the like (which is not directly related to the Kelenic adventure), but the bottom line is unless you don't have payroll concerns ala the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, etc., you have to have stay flexible so that your big move at the deadline isn't a walk down memory lane with Jorge Soler. Given the strength throughout the Braves' line-up there wasn't a real need to soak up that much money for LF.If the Braves took that route and signed a known commodity with that cash for 1 year we'd be in the same exact spot we are right now. The idea was to trade a surplus of cash for 1 season for a potential LF regular who wouldn't cost much the remaining 3-4 years.
The Braves have historically placed a lot more predictive value than most other teams on glimpses of greatness guys show, and project them to be that great more frequently in the future. That tactic seems to be their secret sauce in finding guys like Strider and Schwelly and Harris and Baldwin seemingly every year, but may not be the best tactic when you aren't taking 20 shots on MLB players like they are with draftees.I'm not a genius, but I guess they looked at his power numbers in Seattle and thought he would be better moving to Atlanta. But really you're right, whatever model they ran that said Kelenic would be a diamond in the rough, should be adjusted.
So they got nothing then or now. When the team has an obvious hole for the rest of this window, I prefer to play it safe. Now if you target a Kelenic that we aren't leaning on for production, swing away
But money is money and you can only spend a dollar once. There's all this barking about resetting the luxury tax and the like (which is not directly related to the Kelenic adventure), but the bottom line is unless you don't have payroll concerns ala the Dodgers, Yankees, Mets, etc., you have to have stay flexible so that your big move at the deadline isn't a walk down memory lane with Jorge Soler. Given the strength throughout the Braves' line-up there wasn't a real need to soak up that much money for LF.
Got a chuckle out of Zito's Forrest Wall reference.
They weren’t supposed to be leaning on him.So they got nothing then or now. When the team has an obvious hole for the rest of this window, I prefer to play it safe. Now if you target a Kelenic that we aren't leaning on for production, swing away
He started game 1They weren’t supposed to be leaning on him.
What part of they had a loaded lineup and he was expected to be the 7th or 8th best hitter do you not understand?He started game 1
It basically was a safe move, imo.That's moves that non-contenders should make. I think teams like the Braves should invest in safe moves for the most part
Hind sight and all, but we shoulda saw this one coming anyway...What part of they had a loaded lineup and he was expected to be the 7th or 8th best hitter do you not understand?
Hind sight and all, but we shoulda saw this one coming anyway...
Arcia in the 2nd half of 2023: .560 ops, 40 wrc+. He hadn't hit before in his career.
Absolutely positively no depth among position guys, so any injury was gonna be a killer
Who was gonna fill in for even one?Yes we should have all seen 3 all-stars having some kind of season ending injury