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[sturg33]

Vance is incredibly accomplished. Odd how private sector stuff is so important to you except in situation (RDS vs Vance).

Trump is the GOAT and its not even close. Nobody could have withstood what Trump dealt with the last 9 years.

it's a different skill... as Elon is learning now... and Trump has learned. the government is a different beast. I don't think I would be nearly as effective in government as I am in private business

ive never seen a politician so effectively push his agenda through within the confines of his legal authority to do so as RDS... and the best part is... they aren't a bunch of EOs that go away the min he leaves office. It will be an uphill battle and probably take decades before dems can unwind his agenda

Trump is GOAT marketer...important skill... but leaves a lot to be desired in pushing a game changing agenda

this will be shown again when he signs the next 2T spending bill.

 

[thethe]

it's a different skill... as Elon is learning now... and Trump has learned. the government is a different beast. I don't think I would be nearly as effective in government as I am in private business

ive never seen a politician so effectively push his agenda through within the confines of his legal authority to do so as RDS... and the best part is... they aren't a bunch of EOs that go away the min he leaves office. It will be an uphill battle and probably take decades before dems can unwind his agenda

Trump is GOAT marketer...important skill... but leaves a lot to be desired in pushing a game changing agenda

this will be shown again when he signs the next 2T spending bill.

And State/Federal government is a completely different beast. Give me the guy that can succeed in the private sector over anyone that has succeeded in state/federal politics.

 

[sturg33]

And State/Federal government is a completely different beast. Give me the guy that can succeed in the private sector over anyone that has succeeded in state/federal politics.

I mean... they were both lawyers for a bit. then Vance went to work for Peter Thiel as an investment banker... it's not like he built some major enterprise or product. im not sure why that's a really relevant transferable skill set. Just follow Nancy Pelosi's picks!

also - I always feel you take these comments as me knocking Vance. I like Vance a lot. but he hasn't actually ever accomplished much from a legisltative standpoint. I'm not familiar with anything he got done in congress.

but like I said - very intelligent dude. Great communicator. Seems very competent to me.

but the actual delivery of what RDS has done is unmatched

 

[thethe]

I mean... they were both lawyers for a bit. then Vance went to work for Peter Thiel as an investment banker... it's not like he built some major enterprise or product. im not sure why that's a really relevant transferable skill set. Just follow Nancy Pelosi's picks!

also - I always feel you take these comments as me knocking Vance. I like Vance a lot. but he hasn't actually ever accomplished much from a legisltative standpoint. I'm not familiar with anything he got done in congress.

but like I said - very intelligent dude. Great communicator. Seems very competent to me.

but the actual delivery of what RDS has done is unmatched

Delivery without any real obstruction/resistance from state legislature.

Its a completely different animal.

 

[sturg33]

Delivery without any real obstruction/resistance from state legislature.

Its a completely different animal.

we don't have to re-hash the same argument over and over. I'll just say this.

1. when he won, the state was politically divided.

2. He has expanded the legislature more red with each additional election

3. He got an aggressive agenda accomplished. I do not understand why you feel the need to dismiss because he had a friendly legislature. he still did it!

4. There are other Red governors with red legislatures, and nobody else has managed to do what RDS has done

again - MAGA has turned on RDS... which is sad. And so you're hear arguing with me that what he has accomplished should be diminished for some reason. And I don't get it.

 

[thethe]

we don't have to re-hash the same argument over and over. I'll just say this.

1. when he won, the state was politically divided.

2. He has expanded the legislature more red with each additional election

3. He got an aggressive agenda accomplished. I do not understand why you feel the need to dismiss because he had a friendly legislature. he still did it!

4. There are other Red governors with red legislatures, and nobody else has managed to do what RDS has done

again - MAGA has turned on RDS... which is sad. And so you're hear arguing with me that what he has accomplished should be diminished for some reason. And I don't get it.

POlitically divided? In the State Legislature where all actual laws and created? Come on man....

The legislature was almost identical in 2010 as it was in 24. Its always been heavy republican which is why Republican govs in Florida do an incredible job. RDS was not hte first one. Lots of economic tailwinds they are enjoying are becuase of the Scott administration.

 

[sturg33]

POlitically divided? In the State Legislature where all actual laws and created? Come on man....

The legislature was almost identical in 2010 as it was in 24. Its always been heavy republican which is why Republican govs in Florida do an incredible job. RDS was not hte first one. Lots of economic tailwinds they are enjoying are becuase of the Scott administration.

again... its sad you have turned on the guy. you were calling for him to replace Trump in 2022... you were calling for that for good reason

im happy to compare the records of the proceedings governors to RDS and see who did best with their friendly legislatures

 

[thethe]

again... its sad you have turned on the guy. you were calling for him to replace Trump in 2022... you were calling for that for good reason

im happy to compare the records of the proceedings governors to RDS and see who did best with their friendly legislatures

So still 'politically divided'? - Methinks you weren't aware of the majorities that have existed in Florida for nearly a quarter of a century.

I think its sad you ascribe all the success of Florida to RDS when he has a super friendly legislature that passes conservative policies and RDS can take credit for it.

He has never had to deal with anything clsoe to what Trump has had to deal with but for some reason you just 'assume' he would do better.

 

[sturg33]

So still 'politically divided'? - Methinks you weren't aware of the majorities that have existed in Florida for nearly a quarter of a century.

I think its sad you ascribe all the success of Florida to RDS when he has a super friendly legislature that passes conservative policies and RDS can take credit for it.

He has never had to deal with anything clsoe to what Trump has had to deal with but for some reason you just 'assume' he would do better.

my politically divided statement was based on the electorate... one that wouldn't scream for a mandate of radical right wing agenda

I am again happy to compare the accomplishments of the proceeding governors to RDS

And - why did you once call for RDS to replace Trump has the leader of the party? He must have done something special for the genius of thethe to make that bold claim

 

[thethe]

He is so popular with the people of his own state a complete newcomer in Vance is polling better than him for the primary. RDS has an electability issue that you close your eyes as tightly as possible to avoid.

 

[thethe]

my politically divided statement was based on the electorate... one that wouldn't scream for a mandate of radical right wing agenda

I am again happy to compare the accomplishments of the proceeding governors to RDS

And - why did you once call for RDS to replace Trump has the leader of the party? He must have done something special for the genius of thethe to make that bold claim

RDS did a great job during COVID and said so on numerous occasions but forgive me for not wanted to fellate RDS because a heavy R majority int he state legislatures pass good laws.

And the electorate in the general election is not what you think it means. Its a heavy R state and has been that way for 25+ years. Rick Scott was also a fantastic Gov

 

[sturg33]

RDS did a great job during COVID and said so on numerous occasions but forgive me for not wanted to fellate RDS because a heavy R majority int he state legislatures pass good laws.

yes but why did call for him to replace trump has the leader of the party?

 

[thethe]

yes but why did call for him to replace trump has the leader of the party?

Because he did a great job during COVID so it was a short term reaction to a bad time in our countries history - I then gathered my sensabilities and remembered that Trump was the greatest president of the last 40+ years and we needed him back.

 

[sturg33]

He is so popular with the people of his own state a complete newcomer in Vance is polling better than him for the primary. RDS has an electability issue that you close your eyes as tightly as possible to avoid.

you can reference my post on page 1 that MAGA despises RDS for some reason (me thinks insecurity), and as long as MAGA controls the party, RDS is done. a missed opportunity for America

meanwhile... all the elections RDS has been in against a dem opponent as resulted in victory... commanding ones as of late

 

[sturg33]

Because he did a great job during COVID so it was a short term reaction to a bad time in our countries history - I then gathered my sensabilities and remembered that Trump was the greatest president of the last 40+ years and we needed him back.

yes he did do a great job during covid... another reason why his accomplishments are > Vance

 

[thethe]

yes he did do a great job during covid... another reason why his accomplishments are > Vance

I like politicians that have a shot at winning presidential elections. Just like you can say 'RDS would be better' based on no actual evidence or poorly correlated history I can also say that RDS had no shot at winning the general and I want guys that can win.

 

[thethe]

you can reference my post on page 1 that MAGA despises RDS for some reason (me thinks insecurity), and as long as MAGA controls the party, RDS is done. a missed opportunity for America

meanwhile... all the elections RDS has been in against a dem opponent as resulted in victory... commanding ones as of late

Thanks in large part to Trump changing the countries electorate. Seems like if you say its a shame that MAGA has a such a strong hold even in Florida (to the point Vance is handily polling better than RDS for the 28 primary) that MAGA should also be congratulated for vaulting RDS to such large victories. But lets avoid logical thought here....

 

[sturg33]

I like politicians that have a shot at winning presidential elections. Just like you can say 'RDS would be better' based on no actual evidence or poorly correlated history I can also say that RDS had no shot at winning the general and I want guys that can win.

He won a bigger state by 22 points... and Vance squeezed by his opponent in a very red state. I'm sure there is much evidence that one is more electable than the other... the only thing that I will happily concede is that whoever Trump says to support will mean the other person has no chance in a primary

 

[thethe]

He won a bigger state by 22 points... and Vance squeezed by his opponent in a very red state. I'm sure there is much evidence that one is more electable than the other... the only thing that I will happily concede is that whoever Trump says to support will mean the other person has no chance in a primary

Vance ran in a state where one of the senators is a Dem since 2007 - Please try to pretend that the state is of the same composition. And he won comfortably against a D candidate that actually had name recognition.

 

[sturg33]

Vance ran in a state where one of the senators is a Dem since 2007 - Please try to pretend that the state is of the same composition. And he won comfortably against a D candidate that actually had name recognition.

DeWine beat his opponent in the same election by 25 points. Vance won by 7.

RDS beat his opponent that year by 20 point (a Florida record for a half century). Trump/Vance won Florida in 2024 by 13 points.

I know they are different races, and different electorates (you can spare the bandwidth)... but I'm not seeing this lack of electability that you are assuring me Vance is a force with but RDS lacks