4/24 GDT Soroka vs Reds

Super said:
racism isn't walking around in a white cloak (anymore). it's become less veiled recently, but is still more veiled than *that.* if the only thing you'd consider racist is someone saying "i hate black people," you're missing basically all of the current racism.
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So racists aren't afraid to let their racist flag fly, but at the same time it has to be a more veiled racism.
 
weso1 said:
So racists aren't afraid to let their racist flag fly, but at the same time it has to be a more veiled racism.
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it's more veiled than wearing a KKK robe. i'm not sure what you're struggling with here.
it's become more open recently.
 
Super said:
i think some people really don't want him to be. as per usual.
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I think it’s more classist than racist, tbh—the poors can’t count, and such—though obviously thanks to history class and race are bound up.

But more than anything, past any labelling, it’s just dumb: like I said upthread, it’s very easy to say, you know, the real value of $35 million is actually pretty circumstantial and subjective, despite the seeming concreteness of numbers. There’s no reason to resort to condescending to the kid or denigrating his intelligence, awareness, or counting acumen.
 
Super said:
it's more veiled than wearing a KKK robe. i'm not sure what you're struggling with here.
it's become more open recently.
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No, people are finding more and more racist dog whistles. That's what's changing. I think that's kind of what you are arguing in a way. Veiled racism can be pretty subjective. People are just looking out for it more or deciding that something questionable is in fact racism. People aren't giving the benefit of the doubt to others as much these days.

But in regards to the way society views racists, just look at what's going on. Statues are being taken down, dead singers are being banned. Academics like Charles Murray can barely step foot on campus. Racism is clearly becoming less and less acceptable in society, imo.

So the take that people are being more openly racist is just absurd. Try it out for a week and see what happens to you.
 
By the way, everyone I met in Curacao was fluently trilingual - English, Dutch, and Papiamento. Curacao is not typically a Spanish speaking country, but most can communicate in Spanish, because Papiamento borrows from Spanish, in part.
 
Enscheff said:
Considering I said something extremely ignorant along the lines of "Albies probably doesn't speak English well enough to understand what he signed", I can't really get to frenzied over this kind of comment.

Folks are trying to articulate the idea that Albies was taken advantage of a bit on his deal, and the way they state as much often comes out in ignorant ways that they would probably revise if given the chance.
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Albies absolutely was taken advantage of. The Braves leveraged his humble background, lack of large signing bonus, and likely his desire to support the rest of his family into getting him to take a guaranteed contract for a lot of money but for way less money than he deserved. They absolutely took advantage of him. I love that I'm going to get to see Ozzie play for years to come but I'm not proud of the way this deal was done.

I think where problems start is when people see a deal like this and assume something nefarious must have happened. There must be a lack of intelligence or understanding that the Braves took advantage of. The Braves must have colluded with his agent to pull the wool over Ozzie's eyes. Since it's a deal they would never have taken, the only justification is that Ozzie didn't know what he was doing.

When you consider the other pressures Ozzie was under, you see how he could have taken this deal knowing full well he could get more. It's still distasteful that the Braves would use his humble background as leverage but it's not implying Ozzie is stupid like this guy did.
 
jpx7 said:
Is it really that difficult to say: $35 million potentially means something different and more substantial to a 22-year-old from Curaçao whose family lost their father at age-40—especially relative to someone like, say, Alex Bregman, whose parents are both attorneys in the US? Not sure how that’s so much harder than fumbling into: this brown kid doesn’t understand 85>35. Like, for real: nuance can be hard; but, in this case, it’s not that hard.
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fwiw at his press conference Albies showed he speaks very good English and can express himself better than most Americans his age
 
nsacpi said:
fwiw at his press conference Albies showed he speaks very good English and can express himself better than most Americans his age
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More eloquent than this announcer for the Reds, for sure—and Albies isn’t the one being paid to talk.
 
striker42 said:
Albies absolutely was taken advantage of. The Braves leveraged his humble background, lack of large signing bonus, and likely his desire to support the rest of his family into getting him to take a guaranteed contract for a lot of money but for way less money than he deserved. They absolutely took advantage of him. I love that I'm going to get to see Ozzie play for years to come but I'm not proud of the way this deal was done.

I think where problems start is when people see a deal like this and assume something nefarious must have happened. There must be a lack of intelligence or understanding that the Braves took advantage of. The Braves must have colluded with his agent to pull the wool over Ozzie's eyes. Since it's a deal they would never have taken, the only justification is that Ozzie didn't know what he was doing.

When you consider the other pressures Ozzie was under, you see how he could have taken this deal knowing full well he could get more. It's still distasteful that the Braves would use his humble background as leverage but it's not implying Ozzie is stupid like this guy did.
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Why are we still talking about this? Ozzie came out and said it wasn't about the money. As long as the players are happy shouldn't that be what matters?
 
jpx7 said:
I think it’s more classist than racist, tbh—the poors can’t count, and such—though obviously thanks to history class and race are bound up.

But more than anything, past any labelling, it’s just dumb: like I said upthread, it’s very easy to say, you know, the real value of $35 million is actually pretty circumstantial and subjective, despite the seeming concreteness of numbers. There’s no reason to resort to condescending to the kid or denigrating his intelligence, awareness, or counting acumen.
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True, but you got to read this announcers quote, think about what he said, think about this response, type it out, probably edited once or twice, and then hit submit.

He just blabbered off the cuff and said something dumb that probably wasn't exactly what he would have said with any amount of thought put into it.

I'm not going to dumb this guy into the racist bin just because he poorly stated a concept everyone knows to be true...that there isn't any practical difference between $35M and $100M for a young kid from a poor background.
 
Orphan Black said:
Why are we still talking about this? Ozzie came out and said it wasn't about the money. As long as the players are happy shouldn't that be what matters?
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Every player says it's not about the money.

The Braves took advantage of Ozzie's situation. It happens. I can't feel too much pity for a guy set to earn $35 million though.
 
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