5/26 GDT: braves go for longest winning streak of year facing Phillies

Slippyjms said:
I mean Waters has to get a call soon right? He’s already on the 40 man and can’t be worse than what we’re throwing out there right now
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no.
he's not playing well and is always hurt.

Harris would be the guy to go into CF if they think he's ready, are willing to start his clock and are willing to put him on the 40 man.

I'm sure they'd love to bring waters up b/c he's on the 40 man but he's done nothing to show he's ready.
 
Russ2dollas said:
no.
he's not playing well and is always hurt.

Harris would be the guy to go into CF if they think he's ready, are willing to start his clock and are willing to put him on the 40 man.

I'm sure they'd love to bring waters up b/c he's on the 40 man but he's done nothing to show he's ready.
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Well obviously the Ks are concerning, but waters is hitting .304 with an ops of .810. To say he's not playing well is a stretch. Here's some of our OFs ops...
Duvall .546
TD .588
Heredia .468

I'd hate to bring waters up and take PA away from that list (eye roll)
 
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msstate7 said:
Well obviously the Ks are concerning, but waters is hitting .304 with an ops of .810. To say he's not playing well is a stretch. Here's some of our OFs ops...
Duvall .546
TD .588
Heredia .468

I'd hate to bring waters up and take PA away from that list (eye roll)
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Waters is striking out at a 33% clip against AAA pitching.

If you're going to call someone up because you want to improve the offense, he's DEFINITELY not the guy.
 
clvclv said:
Waters is striking out at a 33% clip against AAA pitching.

If you're going to call someone up because you want to improve the offense, he's DEFINITELY not the guy.
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He's better than TD and heredia. That's the bar.

You guys obviously don't consider waters a prospect anymore, so he can at least fill the defensive OF role that heredia has. Have you saw heredia's defense the last 2 nights?

Waters can run too, so he'd be a decent bench guy for those 2 purposes alone
 
msstate7 said:
He's better than TD and heredia. That's the bar.

You guys obviously don't consider waters a prospect anymore, so he can at least fill the defensive OF role that heredia has. Have you saw heredia's defense the last 2 nights?

Waters can run too, so he'd be a decent bench guy for those 2 purposes alone
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I’m gonna agree with msstate here. Waters can’t be worse than Heredia. Our outfield is beyond bad. I don’t know how AA is gonna fix it actually. Rosario, Harris, and Acuna with Ozuna as DH is probably the best we can hope for this year.
 
msstate7 said:
He's better than TD and heredia. That's the bar.

You guys obviously don't consider waters a prospect anymore, so he can at least fill the defensive OF role that heredia has. Have you saw heredia's defense the last 2 nights?

Waters can run too, so he'd be a decent bench guy for those 2 purposes alone
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I think he's a prospect.

I would not bring him up to replace heredia. heredia doesn't play unless there are two injuries. Heredia is a paid cheerleader and defensive back up.

If waters is up he should play.

Maybe he is better than TD, but he hasn't earned it. He can't stay on the field. His numbers are a SS and propped up by a little power. He is striking out 1/3 of the time. That is not a guy you reward. It sounds like best case scenario for him is to make him understand he can't get to the show unless he develops an approach.
 
msstate7 said:
Well obviously the Ks are concerning, but waters is hitting .304 with an ops of .810. To say he's not playing well is a stretch. Here's some of our OFs ops...
Duvall .546
TD .588
Heredia .468

I'd hate to bring waters up and take PA away from that list (eye roll)
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.800 and .900 OPS guys in AAA are Quad A guys in the Majors. Look at Camargo, Arcia, and TD's stats in AAA to see what I mean.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I think he's a prospect.

I would not bring him up to replace heredia. heredia doesn't play unless there are two injuries. Heredia is a paid cheerleader and defensive back up.

If waters is up he should play.

Maybe he is better than TD, but he hasn't earned it. He can't stay on the field. His numbers are a SS and propped up by a little power. He is striking out 1/3 of the time. That is not a guy you reward. It sounds like best case scenario for him is to make him understand he can't get to the show unless he develops an approach.
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This more or less breaks down the situation with Waters almost perfectly.

Whether you think there's still some chance he'll ever turn into anything OR whether you think he'll never become more than Heredia with a little pop, he needs to be getting everyday ABs - and that's certainly not going to happen with the big club. He apparently doesn't have enough arm to play RF or they'd have been working him there in Gwinnett as a potential Demeritte replacement. If you called him up to take Demeritte's place, you'd be bad defensively in both OF corners and arguably below average defensively in CF on days that Acuna DHs or is out of the lineup with three guys that swing and miss so much they'd be able to keep everyone in the stadium cool on a midsummer Georgia day.

Unless Alex made out the lineup card everyday, Snitker wouldn't play Waters at all - he'd still use Heredia as the defensive replacement. You can make the argument that you might be able to "fix" the defensive issues by playing Waters in CF and Duvall in RF, but Snitker wouldn't do that AND you'd still have three guys in the OF supplying the nightly stadium breeze to keep it from getting so sticky.
 
I mean if you call Waters up I think he’d fill the role of part time starter. Ozuna in LF/DH Waters in CF vs RHP Duvall in OF vs LHP Acuña at RF/DH Contreras at DH/C and TDA at C

One will always have the day off but there should be plenty of opportunities to give Waters a shot.
 
Slippyjms said:
I mean if you call Waters up I think he’d fill the role of part time starter. Ozuna in LF/DH Waters in CF vs RHP Duvall in OF vs LHP Acuña at RF/DH Contreras at DH/C and TDA at C

One will always have the day off but there should be plenty of opportunities to give Waters a shot.
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Just for example on a day Contreras catches and TDA is off

Acuña RF
Albies 2B
Ozuna DH
Riley 3B
Olson 1B
Contreras C
Swanson SS
Duvall LF
Waters CF

This can’t be worse then putting TD or Heredia out there
 
thewupk said:
Not gonna cut it bro
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Last night was the first time that heredia has got in a game in cf. I'm guessing that they're attributing some of Duvall's offensive troubles to a more demanding defensive position.

Have you saw waters play cf?
 
thewupk said:
Do we really think Waters is a plus defender in center?
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And even if he is, how many problems does putting him there solve - even if it's in some form of a platoon with Duvall? As shocking as it sounds to say, this team hasn't been losing games because the OF defense has been awful - although the defense certainly leaves a lot to be desired.

Not really sure plugging in a kid who is going to strike out 40-50% of the time is going to help win games - if that were the answer AA should've kept Pache and paid Freeman!!! LOL
 
clvclv said:
And even if he is, how many problems does putting him there solve - even if it's in some form of a platoon with Duvall? As shocking as it sounds to say, this team hasn't been losing games because the OF defense has been awful - although the defense certainly leaves a lot to be desired.

Not really sure plugging in a kid who is going to strike out 40-50% of the time is going to help win games - if that were the answer AA should've kept Pache and paid Freeman!!! LOL
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They've been losing games bc the outfield is terrible, period.

I've said all along, I don't think waters is a long term solution. I'm hoping for a hot streak of about a month before he hits the inevitable skid. In that time, Harris is AAA getting ready to be the long term solution.

ETA... and the only reason TD was brought up is bc waters was hurt.
 
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If Ronnie is going to continue to miss 2-3 games per week, we can't keep trotting Arcia/Contreras/Heredia/Demeritte in the OF. Contreras is fine as DH/C, but we really need to figure this OF situation out ASAP. It'd be different if they were the ones up 7.5 games right now.
 
msstate7 said:
They've been losing games bc the outfield is terrible, period.

I've said all along, I don't think waters is a long term solution. I'm hoping for a hot streak of about a month before he hits the inevitable skid. In that time, Harris is AAA getting ready to be the long term solution.

ETA... and the only reason TD was brought up is bc waters was hurt.
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And you continue to miss the point.

"Hoping for a hot streak" from a guy who you KNOW is going to strike out 40-50% of the time against advanced pitching is nuts. Waters' average, OBP, BABIP, and hard-hit rate will ALL go down significantly when he's exposed to better Pitchers. You'd be better off calling Tucker or Dickerson up and hope for a hot streak from them (and Tucker could at least play RF when Acuna's out of the lineup) - they've at least SEEN pitching at this level before.

If you're going to call someone up to loosely platoon with Duvall in CF, you might as well have Harris skip AAA altogether - he'll at least make contact.
 
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