Affordable Care Act
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sturg33
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No win situation for these folks...
If they don't offer insurance, they can't get employees or the left will crucify them on social media.
If they do, they can't afford it, have to cut employees to pay for others, and then the left will crucify for them for that
sturg33
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I'm so sorry that you simply do not understand facts (while ironically always posting tweets about things not being facts).
My health premiums when up in 78% the year after Obamacare went into effect. It is what it is.
It is an unabashed undeniable fact that health premiums have dramatically risen in this country due to Obamacare. And the estimation for this year was another 24% hike in 2017.
If you want to say that is fine and justify it bc more people get insurance, that's fine... but stop saying it didn't happen.
sturg33
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Duh, let's make the government pay for it. Because their track record of product innovation, efficiency, and cost optimization is unparalleled!
sturg33
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It irritates me how dumb you are.
This business owner doesn't HAVE to provide health insurance. But he did bc he wanted to give his employees a nice benefit.
Costs have gotten too high... she he can either stop giving all 18 employees HC, or he can reduce his staff by 3.
He chose the second.
Following?
Agreed. We the voters were promised a counter plan and all we got was an amendment.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
The employment-based system is working great, then?
You raise a reasonable point about subsidies raising costs, btw. I would be interested to know, though, if you could provide a functioning example of a system without subsidies?
57Brave
Well-known member
you are exactly right, he doesn't HAVE to provide HC.
Sec Price has either found or created a business man with a heart of gold ?
Why not let all 18 get involved with the exchanges -- no one loses their job and he can buy iPhones for everyone.
Instead of Health Care
sturg33
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No it's not working well, but healthcare in the US is already highly subsidized and yet the cost continue to soar higher. I don't think we should double down.
An industry that isn't government subsidized? In general - the technology/electronics industry doesn't have government subsidies. And we have better quality, for less money.
sturg33
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Because if he does that it would be a huge pay cut to his employees.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
And is this the first thing you were promised by the new president and/or Congress that he/they haven't delivered on? You'll note that I have not posted much on this, I have not been one of those blasting him/them for every little thing, but so far the president has backed out on his promise to make Mexico pay for the wall, or build it at all for that matter, AND to make drug companies compete with Canada, which all good capitalists claim to cream themselves for, and now the new health care bill SEEMS to be less than we were promised.
Your thoughts, to this point?
57Brave
Well-known member
Why ?
Do we know if this "employer" was providing HC before ACA ?
Is this a real time scenario or a hypothetical ?
I know of many business' with under 50 employees (most up to 20) that found ACA a relief.
Both as a business tool and personal/family care provider
I don't see the wall as a broken promise yet. Trump said many times the payment would not necessarily be in the form of a cash payment. I just want the wall.
It's disheartening to see the plan that was rolled out to replace the ACA that's for sure
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
So, my only REAL question is, are you gonna hold the new president and Congress' feet to the fire to fulfill their promises are are you gonna let them slide?