Affordable Care Act

KeithLockhart said:
Awesome letter.

Teachers go into the field to teach knowing it's pretty much a no-win situation and not very much awesome pay.

Doctors go into the field wanting to help people while making 6 figures, that's not going to change.

If he wants to go to wall street, good for him.

Obama didn't create the Wall Street monster. For years Wall Street has picked off some of the brightest minds from the highest institutions to get them to make money on the stock market instead of being productive in other sectors of the economy we could use them most. This guy is not a pioneer by any stretch of the imagination and this has been happening long ago.

This guy trusts the free market, that forces students to have $300k in student debt, that makes health insurance so expensive that the average person cannot afford it and a system where the insurance company rips off the customer. So instead he's going to bring his brilliance to wall street to screw over the average person even more.

It's ironic that the beginning of the story the guy does nothing but chalk up nostalgia to people that took care of him growing up.

That guy is an attention whore. If his motive was to help the sick, he'd still be a doctor for all the right reasons. It's not like doctors are going to be making less than a McDonald's manager or a police man. Doctors will still be pretty wealthy after this.

Teachers have more regulations and restrictions placed on them since they're actual government employees, but if you ask almost every single one of them why they do it, they'll tell you because they want to make a difference in kids' lives.
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The point being made weso, was that the Republicans used the attempt at conference committees to try and show people that they were the ones trying to negotiate to prevent disaster when for months there were moderate Republicans AND democrats who tried to call conference committees on the debt issue dating back to last year and February of this year and throughout the summer.

When people were trying to negotiate with you before when there was no crisis, you denied them. However when we're in crisis now, you want to negotiate and make the other side that you denied negotiations previously to look bad, to try and make you look reasonable is outrageous.
 
AerchAngel said:
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That's why I said almost. I've met a few teachers here and there who I knew could care less about teaching, mainly because they were screwed. The quotas they have to meet, the grades they have to achieve when you're given a bad hand. Most of the teachers I've met, despite the fact they knew the system is against them, still strive to fight on for the kids.
 
KeithLockhart said:
The point being made weso, was that the Republicans used the attempt at conference committees to try and show people that they were the ones trying to negotiate to prevent disaster when for months there were moderate Republicans AND democrats who tried to call conference committees on the debt issue dating back to last year and February of this year and throughout the summer.

When people were trying to negotiate with you before when there was no crisis, you denied them. However when we're in crisis now, you want to negotiate and make the other side that you denied negotiations previously to look bad, to try and make you look reasonable is outrageous.
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So you just hate "Politics"?
 
The reality is the Republicans in the House have had one agenda the last 2 years. They've spent the majority of their time in the majority trying to repeal Obamacare, because for some reason the mid-term elections in 2010 were a mandate by the American people to get rid of it, but then when the President wins re-election with Obamacare as a central attacking point from the right, and the Senate retains the majority, there is no mandate to keep Obamacare? Why was President re-elected when Obamacare was one of the biggest issues in the election campaign last year? Why was Romney elected as the nominee when he had the most liberal healthcare plan of all the candidates?

They tried to use this debt ceiling debate as a last hurrah to try and get something done with Obamacare, and because of the 11th hour political theater they played, the markets were unsure of what was going to happen, the world markets were unsure of what was going to happen. Who was the (R) congressman from Kentucky that said "Our party is in control of one half, of one third of our government, but we're acting as if we're the ones in the majority?"
 
Tapate50 said:
So you just hate "Politics"?
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What happened the last 2 weeks transcended politics.

That stunt has never been pulled in the history of our country (a political party trying to use our own country's economic stability as leverage for a law they disagreed with).

You had a political lobby push Ted Cruz as the voice of reason, who basically was on the record for saying we should default. You also had guys within the (R) in both chambers say a default would be good, it would settle down the markets. If Ted Cruz believed so faithfully in what he stood 21 hours for, he should've filibustered the CR that was passed. Boehner "allowed" the Senate Bill to come to a vote, because he didn't want to be seen as conceding the fight.

People are blaming the Democrats for playing possum and allowing this game to be played, when it was Boehner and Co. who knew from the beginning the battle they were fighting was pointless.
 
KeithLockhart said:
All this doom and gloom that because of Obamacare, kids won't go into the medical field anymore is just silly. Doctor's will still have wealthy incomes after Obamacare. There will be more physicians assistants. The market will correct itself and adapt to whatever changes happen.

I'm still laughing at that letter. It's supposed to tell a story of a young boy whose dream it was, was to help people, because he was "born" to do it. Talks all about how much he was in love with becoming a doctor and being a caretaker like Patty. One law all of the sudden changes his passion and makes him go on a career change despite the fact it will still be a wealthy profession. This isn't going to prevent doctors from being able to afford a 200k house or a nice Mercedes or Jaguar. He tries to write his letter so poetic and eloquently, when really he's just showing you just has narcissistic he is. He's quitting his passion for helping all in the name of the "free market" he believes in, that at the end of the day is screwing the same people he claims to want to be helping. Good stuff Michael Gordon Lofti. You're just as much of a narcissist as Ted Cruz.
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The problem is that Obamacare will introduce a lot more people into the system...at least at some point. So you already have a thinning profession, and now that profession will immediately thin due to the increased demand. Doctors have to go through a ridiculous amount of training, so this isn't a market where you can just add workers. Guess what's going to happen? The standards of becoming a doctor will be lessened or more folks will become P.A.'s. That's the best we can hope for.
 
My girlfriend is in her fisrt year of med school - both of her parents are successful doctors, and she spent the last year doing research in the NIH.

The one theme: Everyone she worked with told her not to do med school, even her parents didn't want her to do med school. Just not worth it anymore.

But it's been her dream since she was a kid, now she is in 250K in debt, working her ass off, giving up the best years of her life, only to eventually get screwed by what will then be a completely government run health care system. Too bad too, cause she had an economics degree from Brown and could easily being doing something that would set her up for success
 
weso1 said:
Oh don't give me the you guys are smart reasonable guys rhetoric. It implies that our argument on this is absurd, which of course it isn't. How in the world could the pubs possibly negotiate without something to give? The government shutdown I agree was a dumb move just because it actually helped the dems and there was no possible win for the pubs, but the debt ceiling was the only leverage the pubs had. The fake outrage over the pubs using it as leverage is what was absurd.

We kept hearing over and over again about how every point of negotiation was a nonstarter. I know that you are a smart reasonable guy, but the dems made a big mistake by not meeting the pubs in the middle on this. A simple and extremely fair delay of the mandate with a firm starting date would have actually helped the President. Now all of a sudden the pubs are looking like the reasonable party in all of this.
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Tapate50 said:
On the last part I agree. I used the wrong terminology. But I'd wager that if you and Boehner were in a room and it was lock tite that nothing said in that room would ever see the light of day, he would tell you not to lump them in with those Martians.

I don't trust the government to implement common sense things on the fly. There is so much abuse running rampant, this was ripe for it and it was a no brainer that DEMs refused to budge on for the time being.
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OK, both of you...I guess I just don't agree that delaying the individual mandate is a no-brainer. I think it's quite possible that penalties will be delayed or tweaked, although I won't quibble with your skepticism about "common sense" as it applies to politicians. I also think that the R's only actual goal is defeating the ACA by whatever means are available to them, so I can't really fault Obama for not playing ball, particularly when he had the upper hand.

When repealing or otherwise defeating the ACA has been the #1 R talking point for 3 years, can you blame a Democrat for not entirely trusting a Republican congress that says "Oh, yeah, we just want to, er, FIX it. Let's not implement it just yet."

So delaying implementation for a year is "meeting in the middle?" It's hard to credit that, really.
 
sturg33 said:
My girlfriend is in her fisrt year of med school - both of her parents are successful doctors, and she spent the last year doing research in the NIH.

The one theme: Everyone she worked with told her not to do med school, even her parents didn't want her to do med school. Just not worth it anymore.

But it's been her dream since she was a kid, now she is in 250K in debt, working her ass off, giving up the best years of her life, only to eventually get screwed by what will then be a completely government run health care system. Too bad too, cause she had an economics degree from Brown and could easily being doing something that would set her up for success
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If your girlfriends parents are any bit conservative as you, then I'm not surprised at all that they're telling her not to.

So what field to they suggest she go in?

Medical Doctor is about the safest field you could enter with guaranteed quality income for a long term career.
 
KeithLockhart said:
If your girlfriends parents are any bit conservative as you, then I'm not surprised at all that they're telling her not to.

So what field to they suggest she go in?

Medical Doctor is about the safest field you could enter with guaranteed quality income for a long term career.
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They are nothing like me. They generally vote republican but are socially liberal.

They wanted her to stay away from med school because doctor salaries are continuing to decline, and that is before ACA and whatever is soon to come after. Her dad has his own very successful practice as a radiologist and his salary continues to go down YoY. They just didn't want her to spend 8 years of schooling, go into massive debt, for her career to be controlled by government mandates.

Like I said, she had an economics degree from Brown, she could have easily chose the more prosperous path.
 
300,000 lose coverage in Florida, another 76,000 lose it in Virginia, Maryland and Washington D.C.

“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.”

Liar.
 
Who are those 300,000 / 76,000?
What are the circumstances?
Who are your sources?

A common thread is the states involved opted to not have state exchanges but instead chose to have the federal govt run their state programs.
the states that chose to not have a state exchange have in common Koch backed governors and legislators. A little more scratch the surface would serve you well
 
One is required to carry a legislated minimum amount of auto insurance .
Reading the article you provide I learned people are being informed their existing policy does not qualify the minimum overage

My mortgage company requires wei carry a minimum home insurance policy. by your logic a mortgage company has authority our duly elected government doesn't?
Pretty sure these minimum guidelines have been available for 3 years -- personal responsibility is a funny term
 
“If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. Period. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health care plan. Period. No one will take it away. No matter what.” :rock:
 
57Brave said:
One is required to carry a legislated minimum amount of auto insurance .
Reading the article you provide I learned people are being informed their existing policy does not qualify the minimum overage

My mortgage company requires wei carry a minimum home insurance policy. by your logic a mortgage company has authority our duly elected government doesn't?
Pretty sure these minimum guidelines have been available for 3 years -- personal responsibility is a funny term
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Yeah but if you don't like your mortgage company's policy on homeowners insurance you can shop around.
 
really?
A lending agency is not going to allow you to have homeowners policy that doesn't insure their investment. Unless of course it is one of those we learned about in the lending crisis of '08.
 
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