Andruw Jones HOF voting currently at 73.8% he needs 75%

[striker42]

Suspicion. Clearly I can't type.

Compare Bagwell to David Ortiz. Both were suspected of steroid use but with zero real evidence. Neither brought much defensive value. But Bagwell had 30 more WAR.

Why was Ortiz a first ballot and it took Bagwell years? The answer is simple, Ortiz played for the Red Sox and Bagwell played for the Astros. Ortiz played on a higher profile team and so got in on the first ballot in spite of the fact his numbers put him as a marginal candidate.

 

[The Tariff King]

Bagwell got in late the same reason Tim Raines got in late.

Older voters started dying or removing themselves from voting and the more analytics friendly writers started becoming a bigger share of the writers vote.

The same reason Andruw is now going to get in when the first ballot he was only at like 7%.

 

[DirkPiggler]

Bagwell got in late the same reason Tim Raines got in late.

Older voters started dying or removing themselves from voting and the more analytics friendly writers started becoming a bigger share of the writers vote.

The same reason Andruw is now going to get in when the first ballot he was only at like 7%.

That's reasonable.

Next comparison: Dale Murphy vs. Jim Rice. Murph is the type of player the dinosaurs should have loved. Ton of counting stats, multiple MVPs, five GGs in an era without defensive analytics. Similar stats and WAR. Rice was a DH much of his career, and was clearly inferior to Murphy defensively when he did stand in LF. Both known as high character, great clubhouse guys.

If Murphy had put up the exact same stats in Boston, and Rice had his career in Atlanta, Dale would be in the Hall and Rice would not. The bias is real.

 

[Southcack77]

Compare Bagwell to David Ortiz. Both were suspected of steroid use but with zero real evidence. Neither brought much defensive value. But Bagwell had 30 more WAR.

Why was Ortiz a first ballot and it took Bagwell years? The answer is simple, Ortiz played for the Red Sox and Bagwell played for the Astros. Ortiz played on a higher profile team and so got in on the first ballot in spite of the fact his numbers put him as a marginal candidate.

Probably 500+ HRs, 3 titles, WS MVP carried more weight than analytics.

Bagwell had the MVP but never was really the biggest star around and his counting numbers were a bit short and had relatively few national moments.

Big Papi was as big a name and story as there was and he got over 500 HRs.

 

[Southcack77]

That's reasonable.

Next comparison: Dale Murphy vs. Jim Rice. Murph is the type of player the dinosaurs should have loved. Ton of counting stats, multiple MVPs, five GGs in an era without defensive analytics. Similar stats and WAR. Rice was a DH much of his career, and was clearly inferior to Murphy defensively when he did stand in LF. Both known as high character, great clubhouse guys.

If Murphy had put up the exact same stats in Boston, and Rice had his career in Atlanta, Dale would be in the Hall and Rice would not. The bias is real.

Dale Murphy can do no wrong as far as I'm concerned and he should be in the Hall.

With that being said, outside of that bias I'm overall ok with a small Hall.

We've seen a lot of very good players get in and I'm sure their analytics justify most of them, but a lot of these guys were short of being towering greats in the imagination.

It's slowly morphing into the football hall of fame where no one really knows who is in. You vaguely know who is remarkably out, sometimes.

 

[Strike3urout]

Chipper said it best, if Druw has that career fully in NY, he’s a first ballot

Sure, if that means he'd have won all those championships during the late 90s, and contributed meaningfully, Andruw may be in the Hall already. But all else being equal, that's just typical NY resentment.

He'd also be in had the 2000 or 2005 versions showed up more consistently. He'd be in had he done anything worthwhile in his 30s.

As it stands, he is what he is: a borderline candidate who has to wait for a few years - and a weak ballot.

As for Sabathia: if he doesn't get in easily, they may as well lock the Hall doors for starting pitchers after Verlander, Scherzer and Kershaw.

 

[DirkPiggler]

Dale Murphy can do no wrong as far as I'm concerned and he should be in the Hall.

With that being said, outside of that bias I'm overall ok with a small Hall.

We've seen a lot of very good players get in and I'm sure their analytics justify most of them, but a lot of these guys were short of being towering greats in the imagination.

It's slowly morphing into the football hall of fame where no one really knows who is in. You vaguely know who is remarkably out, sometimes.

Completely agree with this.

I'm content with Dale not being in because his career wasn't good enough, long enough, or whatever. I'm not okay with him being excluded while equal or lesser players got in because they played in bigger markets. I won't make judgments on guys who played before I was born, but in my lifetime you have guys like Baines and Rice whose Hall resumes are similar to Murph's. If they are in, Dale should be as well.

 

[Krgrecw]

Compare Bagwell to David Ortiz. Both were suspected of steroid use but with zero real evidence. Neither brought much defensive value. But Bagwell had 30 more WAR.

Why was Ortiz a first ballot and it took Bagwell years? The answer is simple, Ortiz played for the Red Sox and Bagwell played for the Astros. Ortiz played on a higher profile team and so got in on the first ballot in spite of the fact his numbers put him as a marginal candidate.

Didn’t Ortiz fail PED a test? But since he’s likable he got the Michael jordan coverup treatment

 

[zitothebrave]

Compare Bagwell to David Ortiz. Both were suspected of steroid use but with zero real evidence. Neither brought much defensive value. But Bagwell had 30 more WAR.

Why was Ortiz a first ballot and it took Bagwell years? The answer is simple, Ortiz played for the Red Sox and Bagwell played for the Astros. Ortiz played on a higher profile team and so got in on the first ballot in spite of the fact his numbers put him as a marginal candidate.

Ortiz didn't just play for the Red Sox, he was part of the curse breaking team, and won 2 more world series titles.

Also on his world series winning runs he was a beast offensively so he has a rep as a playoff hero. He was the Red Sox Derek Jeter.