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thewupk said:
I'd prefer to have 3 good SP in the playoffs. We currently have 2.
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Call me a believer in Morton still.

Even still - To get a guy that could start in a playoff series is going to be EXPENSIVE and we do not have the minor league assets to get that done.
 
thewupk said:
The Braves have had 6 pitchers start a game that aren't Wright, Fried, Anderson, and Morton. I won't count Chavez as he was clearly an opener. Here are their numbers

Strider - 2 GS - 8.1 IP - 4.34 FIP
Davidson - 3 GS - 12.2 IP - 4.48 FIP
Muller - 1 GS - 2.2 IP - 7.64 FIP
Ynoa - 2 GS - 6.2 IP - 7.34 FIP
Elder - 4 GS - 19 IP - 6.30 FIP

That's a bunch of meh to bad.

Taking into consideration that Anderson has a 4.52 FIP and Morton has a 4.60 FIP. Our SP has been pretty gross. Wright and Fried have been studs but that's about it. AA needs to target a starter at the deadline.
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So that’s the point of adding another SP. Not to fill in spots on a roster, but to cover performance issues of the whole staff.

Morton struggled. Anderson struggled. Wright dominated. Luckily nobody got hurt.

There are many possible scenarios where another SP could have been needed to step in, not just to fill the 5 spot on a spreadsheet.

The Braves needed another SP. They are currently outside the playoff field largely due to a lack of SP production. This is very easy to understand.
 
thewupk said:
The Braves have had 6 pitchers start a game that aren't Wright, Fried, Anderson, and Morton. I won't count Chavez as he was clearly an opener. Here are their numbers

Strider - 2 GS - 8.1 IP - 4.34 FIP
Davidson - 3 GS - 12.2 IP - 4.48 FIP
Muller - 1 GS - 2.2 IP - 7.64 FIP
Ynoa - 2 GS - 6.2 IP - 7.34 FIP
Elder - 4 GS - 19 IP - 6.30 FIP

That's a bunch of meh to bad.

Taking into consideration that Anderson has a 4.52 FIP and Morton has a 4.60 FIP. Our SP has been pretty gross. Wright and Fried have been studs but that's about it. AA needs to target a starter at the deadline.
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Not sure I'm here yet. Granted the deadline is still a ways away. We will see health and if Wright turns back to a pumpkin. We will also see if Morton goes back to himself. Anderson is throwing more like I thought he would before he came up, but the guy has been great in the post seasons.

The way Anderson has done in the playoffs, I'm not sure SP will be a big need. You need a stud 1-2. Ideally you have a stud 1-2 and a good 3. More than that is gravy to a point. Strider can go back to pen role given in the playoffs the starters are likely only going 4-5 innings unless they are studs.

I'd love a SP upgrade, do not get me wrong. I'm on the record thinking Soroka is a pipe dream. I think best case scenario for Soroka is the old Strider role this year, get you 2 innings every 3-4 nights.

I think we have very limited resources. What I'd be focusing on is the most impact I can get. Likely that is going to be LF. IF WBC (wild bill contreras) keeps hitting, then maybe AA is a genius and can get Ozuna out. I think SP will be third on the list unless there is some impact guy that becomes available. The Yu Darvish thing has been out there as a rumor for a while. Unlikely two teams competing for the WC trade with each other, but that could be a way you go for an upside play (if healthy) at SP and move Ozuna to open up WBC at bats.
 
Enscheff said:
Leave it to the sunshine kid to show up during a 7 game winning streak and miss the point entirely.

Newsflash, making the playoffs is not a given…
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Braves will cruise to a playoff spot without an additional starting pitching add by at least 5 games.

Its a given.
 
Anderson and Morton's stats are skewed because of awful starts. Anderson has come back around lately (he's never been efficient but he's easily a solid #3 pitching like he is now). Morton has been much better but he's still not himself... still he's been keeping us in games (with a few very good games mixed in) which is better than what he was doing to start the year.
 
zbhargrove said:
Anderson and Morton's stats are skewed because of awful starts. Anderson has come back around lately (he's never been efficient but he's easily a solid #3 pitching like he is now). Morton has been much better but he's still not himself... still he's been keeping us in games (with a few very good games mixed in) which is better than what he was doing to start the year.
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And the lack of Acuna coupled with dreadful offensive performances from some of the guys.

The team is in great shape and adding another back end starter would not have moved the needle in the slightest.
 
Nerfherders said:
But also the Braves RS in those games is only 3.5, and that's with a 16 R outburst in one game. 10 of the 13 games they scored 3 runs or less. Not gonna win many of those regardless of the pitcher.

I'm not saying the 5th starter hasn't been bad - just saying there's other pieces of the puzzle.
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What’s the RS in games started by the 1-4? I doubt it was much better before the last couple weeks, yet, the Braves have a really good record in those games.
 
thethe said:
Braves will cruise to a playoff spot without an additional starting pitching add by at least 5 games.

Its a given.
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Why? San Diego, SF and the Cardinals/Brewers. It is no doubt we'll be better than them? I don't think so.

I think the Central will get a WC b/c the schedule is soo soft. Then I think you can argue if the Braves are better than San Diego and SF. Both teams are likely to have more ammo go get better at the deadline. They are in a tougher division at the top, but it's weaker at the bottom.
 
Morton is about to kick off his season. I think the lack of ST hurt him more than most coming off the broken leg. One of his ST starts even got rained out, so he lost part of his very abbreviated ST
 
Ideally, we need something to come along (trade or Strider/Ynoa) that kicks Anderson to the 5th spot in theory. Then we can adjust based on the health and effectivness of Soroka. I would love either Ynoa or Strider to be back end/ 2 inning shut down relievers. Those guys are huge come playoff push.
 
Russ2dollas said:
Why? San Diego, SF and the Cardinals/Brewers. It is no doubt we'll be better than them? I don't think so.

I think the Central will get a WC b/c the schedule is soo soft. Then I think you can argue if the Braves are better than San Diego and SF. Both teams are likely to have more ammo go get better at the deadline. They are in a tougher division at the top, but it's weaker at the bottom.
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Braves core is a proven commodity and we have the best player in the sport.

Plus we have two absolute lock down aces and Morton who I believe is a borderline ace once he gets his **** together.
 
It might not be a cold stone lock, but barring injuries, Braves should have a playoff spot when it's said and done. Division will be hard but a WC spot seems pretty fair to assume. Only 2 back in the L column of SF an the Cards right now.
 
thethe said:
That starter did not exist in the FA market.

That was the whole point.
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Even with Greinke's recent string of bad starts (which could be injury related) he has still had better results this year than Morton and our combined 5th starters. We're lucky Wright figured things out, otherwise it would be Max and Ian and pray for rain. We'd easily be 3-4 wins better with Greinke in the 5th spot than Davidson, Ynoa, etc. And Archer is still doing pretty decent too.
 
chop2chip said:
That’s a bit of a cop out imo. There were plenty of useful starters that signed with teams (or were acquired in trades). Would have Tyler Anderson have signed here for the same or higher deal he gave the Dodgers?

And yes that’s cherry picking with the benefit of hindsight, but the value of a great general manager is they will make moves that more often than not look good in hindsight.
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Honestly, just signing a couple lottery ticket vets would have been better than sitting on your hands.
 
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