Boston writer advocating acquiring Jason Heyward in the off season

zitothebrave said:
You don't think that we're a virtual playoff lock? Even with th eever incompetent fredi we're one of the 3 or 4 best teams in the NL. Add the WAR we lost cause of his inability to plead for TLS in May when it was obvious all our options at 2B blew, instead he decided to keep trying Pastor and Pena. Maybe Wren is to blame for that I dont' know. But if that was me after it was obvious that Uggla totally lost it. I would have been slamming my fist for TLS cause Pastor sucks. Even ignoring that we maximize our results like the Giants have, and we would be easily in the drivers seat for the Wild Card.
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Holy overstate TLS batman.

Uggla provided 145 PA this year with a -0.5 WAR. TLS is at 301 PA and 0.1 WAR. You act like if we had TLS all year, there would be a huge difference.

The best teams in the NL according to run differential which is the most realistic measure.

Washington +106
LA +49
Mil +42
SF +30
Atl +21
Pit +6
Stl -7

That is not a "virtual lock."
 
gilesfan said:
This team may not even be good enough to get in the playoffs. Obviously any team that gets to the dance has a chance, but this is a 5 games over .500 team. That's an 85ish win team.

The team has major holes offensively and it will not be a quick fix. Obviously we have the 2 offensive studs that will be back. Gattis is a good hitter too, but is an injury risk and a catcher, so will only play in 130 games tops. We have below average hitters at 2B, SS, 3B, and CF and these same guys may very well be in the lineup next year. (TLS could improve some and approach league average, CJ could be right around average)

This is one of the bottom 10 offenses in all of baseball. Im not sure signing a career 114 OPS+ hitter to a mega deal is the answer. There is a chance he walks anyways.

Just for my amusement, would Boston do Gattis, Heyward for Cecchini, Swihart, and Betts? Those mega deals don't happen very often but would be a fantastic return for both teams. With the recent extensions, the money is gonna get tighter and this gives 3-4 possible everyday players for dirt cheap.

Would be an awfully young team, but with the money saved, could send Johnson and Upton packing. Sign David Ross and Seth Smith.

Ross/Swihart
Freeman
TLS
Simmons
Cecchini
Good Upton
Betts
Smith

Lineup (always has to be posted) A lot of young talent plus very good on base skills

TLS
Betts
Freeman
Upton
Smith
Cecchini
Catcher
Simmons
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I get what you're saying and I think it is something the Braves have to think about in gauging whether or not they can sign Heyward to a long-term deal. But I think this deal is a bit light on what comes back to Atlanta. I like all the Red Sox farmhands you've mentioned (I really like Cecchini), but I think we'd need at least two more guys coming our way.
 
50PoundHead said:
I get what you're saying and I think it is something the Braves have to think about in gauging whether or not they can sign Heyward to a long-term deal. But I think this deal is a bit light on what comes back to Atlanta. I like all the Red Sox farmhands you've mentioned (I really like Cecchini), but I think we'd need at least two more guys coming our way.
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If they would do that, (maybe Bradley plus a pitcher), we would have to accept that deal.
 
gilesfan said:
If they would do that, (maybe Bradley plus a pitcher), we would have to accept that deal.
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It would probably be Wren's last move because of public outcry, but if it would strengthen the team for the long haul, it would have to be seriously considered.

I'm not much on Seth Smith as a possible FA signing, but with the financial leeway, the team could do a lot of things.

I always thought Schuerholz weakness was his reluctance to do a "tear-down" when that was probably in order. Instead, he does things like offering Maddux arbitration (after jettisoning a less expensive Millwood) and making the Teixeira trade. I think the team is in a similar place right now. We're a good team (maybe even a playoff team), but it's a real patchwork. Sometimes you need to take a small step back to take a larger step ahead.
 
I just don't see the Braves trading away any of the core right before moving into the new stadium. Overall, trading Heyward this offseason is the right move if, and only if, the two sides can not agree to a long term deal. If Wren can get 2 MLB caliber prospects with one being a potential impact player, he SHOULD make the move rather than let Heyward walk for a draft pick. Trading 12 years of control for 1 year of Heyward really is a no brainer if he can't be signed. The same logic holds for Justin as well.

However...none of the (good) core will be traded before the move into the new ballpark, no matter how much sense it makes for the overall health of the organization.
 
Bear in mind this is an article written by a Boston writer.
No ATL people have reported or written such a thing. Shoot, I think the Braves should trade BJ and the Cunningham kid for Puig.
Just cause I wrote it doesn't make it so

Of course they want JHey in RF. Question is, who doesn't?
 
If Jason is to be traded this offseason, I expect one hell of a return for a player that's 3rd in WAR in baseball even given his early offensive struggles. In my opinion, he has a chance to be a MVP within the next two seasons. I do love the guys that Boston would have to give us back, especially give their farmhands.

BUT, Jason is one of the few true leaders on this team. His defense is absolutely amazing. His offense has come around to be over .320 AVG wise over the last 2 months and him being in leadoff changes this team completely.

If he doesn't sign with us long-term, trade him to get as much as possible, but I think he signs a team-friendly deal and stays here.

Keep Justin if possible as well. We have to stretch a bit financially, but we need these two.

That is all.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
If Jason is to be traded this offseason, I expect one hell of a return for a player that's 3rd in WAR in baseball even given his early offensive struggles. In my opinion, he has a chance to be a MVP within the next two seasons. I do love the guys that Boston would have to give us back, especially give their farmhands.

BUT, Jason is one of the few true leaders on this team. His defense is absolutely amazing. His offense has come around to be over .320 AVG wise over the last 2 months and him being in leadoff changes this team completely.

If he doesn't sign with us long-term, trade him to get as much as possible, but I think he signs a team-friendly deal and stays here.

Keep Justin if possible as well. We have to stretch a bit financially, but we need these two.

That is all.
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There is no rightfielder that is going to win an MVP based on defense or their WAR numbers based largely on defense.

Show me where an outfielder has won an MVP with sub .800 OPS in the modern times.
 
yeezus said:
Heyward is a better player than Freddie and absolutely has higher upside. Heyward does every single thing you ask of a player on the field. Great base runner, elite defense, patient hitter. His power is only thing missing this year, and he has too much for it to be gone forever.
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Except that he isn't a better player. At least not now he isn't. He was a few yrs ago. But Freddie has clearly surpassed him.

He plays great defense and runs the bases well. Ok. Freddie is in another stratosphere offensively however.
 
sturg33 said:
The point is we have a team who could win the WS next year... It's tough to give up on that
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As opposed to giving up on a WS two yrs from now? Players we get for Heyward could theoretically be ready to contribute next season. And be major contributors in 2016. It isn't like we'd be trading Jason how multiple prospects in the lower minors far away from contributing.
 
zitothebrave said:
Carpe doesn't believe that defense has any value. And he doesn't believe Justin is a better hitter than Freddie for some reason.
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I didn't say anything about Justin being better than Freddie. They are so damn close it isn't worth arguing.

And defense does have value. But WAR would have you believe that Jason's defense this yr has been worth as much as Freddie's offense. If your so dumb to believe that then I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.
 
AerchAngel said:
Freddie is Mark Grace with a little more power but inferior with defense, in pitch recognition and less strike outs and he was no 20 mil a year player.
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A "little more power" is pretty misleading. At the same ages Freddie's power numbers are leagues better than Grace. Grace never hit over 20 homers once and only a couple times hit over 15 homers. Freddie has never hit under 20 homers. You might as well be comparing Casey Kotchman to Todd Helton.
 
Carp said:
A "little more power" is pretty misleading. At the same ages Freddie's power numbers are leagues better than Grace. Grace never hit over 20 homers once and only a couple times hit over 15 homers. Freddie has never hit under 20 homers. You might as well be comparing Casey Kotchman to Todd Helton.
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lulz

All about homers?

lulz more.
 
Carp said:
I didn't say anything about Justin being better than Freddie. They are so damn close it isn't worth arguing.

And defense does have value. But WAR would have you believe that Jason's defense this yr has been worth as much as Freddie's offense. If your so dumb to believe that then I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you.
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So you don't believe in saving runs as a defender despite the fact we have seen Jason win as many games with his glove as Freddie has with his bat...Oh and Jason has also won games with his bat. That also means you think Simmons isn't worth keeping around either. He can't hit at all so his defense can't be good enough to make up for that right?
 
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