zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Based on your expert opinion I'm sure. Not on people who know way the **** more than you. Then again you could have been a baseball star if only not for your coach so we should trust your opinion.
Boston writer advocating acquiring Jason Heyward in the off season
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Based on your expert opinion I'm sure. Not on people who know way the **** more than you. Then again you could have been a baseball star if only not for your coach so we should trust your opinion.
This X 1000.
Coming from some fat unathletic kid that never excelled at anything in his life except eating mustard and finding ways to not work for a living.
How many college level statistics classes have you taken?
So defensive stats aren't based on subjectivity?
What makes these defensive numbers accurate? Are they same defensive metrics that say Kung Fu Panda is a better defender than Manny Machado?
So what you're saying is that defensive metrics can't even agree on how valuable Jason's defense is, but we're supposed to take it on some sort of faith that it's good enough to compensate for the massive difference in offensive production?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
LMAO this is how I know I won. Cause you're resulting to gradeschool level insults. You have nothing. I love it.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Both agree he's fantastic defensively. As far as how they come to different numbers, if you knew anything about the stats, you'd understand the differences between the 2. But I won't lecture you. Google can teach you what you need to know.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
There's a degree of subjectivity. Such as if something is hit hard, soft, medium, if it's a line drive or flyball, etc. But the amount of times that's truly wrong, you're arguing semantics.
From same page:
"Then again you could have been a baseball star if only not for your coach so we should trust your opinion."
I guess I own you then.
Ahh, I see you admit the stats are subjective. Ok.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Every valuation stat is subjective to a degree or another. Hell even batting average is truly subjective to a degree, as an error is subject to someone scoring something as a hit or an error.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Yeah that's comparable lol.
Its much more than semantics.
Much like a great hitter/pitcher are given the benefit of the doubt from umps on borderline pitchers, players with great defensive reputation can be rewarded with a positive rating on close plays. Most defensive metrics do not take into account defensive positioning, which could heavily influence someones rating. Heyward may not even be playing any different than yrs past. It could simply be that many of the RFers in baseball simply have sucked this yr. And past all that, there is no way to know for certain if an average player could have made a play on a particular ball in play, so many defensive stats are making a pretty big assumption on an unknown factor.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I know no stat that favors a players rep. Just shows you don't know what's being tracked.
Are you effing serious? The values placed and ratings applied to a particular play are recorded by humans. So there's no human error in that according to you?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
That's not what happens with those stats. Even if you explain it in the simplest fashion.
Jason Heyward is really effin valuable. That much can't be disputed. Its all about whether or not you are going to let him walk for just a comp pick. That is something I don't want to do. Do whatever it takes to sign him long term but if he doesn't do it then you absolutely have to trade him. This team is not that close to winning a title.
And that is the biggest concern with trading him if you believe their is a realistic chance of signing him.
And the flipside is paying a guy 20 million a year for sub .800 OPS at a corner spot.
I would bank you don't even know how these stats are calculated, but go ahead and do a quick google search to see how much you can learn in a few minutes.