Braves are savlaging a salary dump (FG article on Maybin's resurgence)

cajunrevenge said:
Hypothetical, would you trade Maybin to get Kimbrel back? As much as we need BP help Maybin is too important to the offense imo. Without him it's Cunningham out there every day and that would he brutal.
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Given the salary differences, probably not.

There's no doubting Kimbrel's talent, even with his recent struggles. However, it's simply much easier to replace his production (IPs and Saves) with other options than it would be to replace Maybin right now. Those options may not be as flashy as Craig mind you, but we already have serviceable guys in Grilli and Johnson, several in-house candidates being groomed, and names like Holland, Clippard, and Kelvin Herrera (plus others) will be available by 2017 if they're not extended.

Maybin's just a perfect fit right now - relatively inexpensive, and no long-term commitment to get in the way IF the organization decides to go with Peraza or Mallex Smith in CF IF they work out by 2017. IMO, trading Cam right now would be lunacy - he looks like the player everyone expected him to turn into (all credit to his hard work and Seitzer's guidance), he's only owed $8 million in 2016 (making him extremely tradeable as a rental then), and if Hart & Company decides to go another way in 2017 they pay him $1 million and say "thank you".

I've always been a fan of Dexter Fowler like many others here but chasing him in free-agency this winter will require a 4-5 year/$48-$65 million minimum commitment, and put him directly in the way of several other promising prospects.
 
clvclv said:
I've always been a fan of Dexter Fowler like many others here but chasing him in free-agency this winter will require a 4-5 year/$48-$65 million minimum commitment, and put him directly in the way of several other promising prospects.
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I'm with you, no interest in signing Fowler.
A majority of long-term FA contracts these days are going to end up being terrible half way thru.
 
clvclv said:
Given the salary differences, probably not.

There's no doubting Kimbrel's talent, even with his recent struggles. However, it's simply much easier to replace his production (IPs and Saves) with other options than it would be to replace Maybin right now. Those options may not be as flashy as Craig mind you, but we already have serviceable guys in Grilli and Johnson, several in-house candidates being groomed, and names like Holland, Clippard, and Kelvin Herrera (plus others) will be available by 2017 if they're not extended.

Maybin's just a perfect fit right now - relatively inexpensive, and no long-term commitment to get in the way IF the organization decides to go with Peraza or Mallex Smith in CF IF they work out by 2017. IMO, trading Cam right now would be lunacy - he looks like the player everyone expected him to turn into (all credit to his hard work and Seitzer's guidance), he's only owed $8 million in 2016 (making him extremely tradeable as a rental then), and if Hart & Company decides to go another way in 2017 they pay him $1 million and say "thank you".

I've always been a fan of Dexter Fowler like many others here but chasing him in free-agency this winter will require a 4-5 year/$48-$65 million minimum commitment, and put him directly in the way of several other promising prospects.
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We have likely seen the best CK will ever be. That isn't to say he won't have a long successful career, but I don't think we will be missing any "career years" from here on out. That in itself makes me fine with parting with him at his increased salary (not sure why, but to me it does). I guess our ability to bring along very effective relievers in the past has kinda deemphasized the closer role for me. I expect a lot of help for the pen coming from DL\Suspended\promotions in the last half of the season.

I'd like to hang on to Cameron as well. He may solve a few issues for us in the next year or two. His going the other way of late is going to give him more to pull when pitchers adjust and should be getting some pop back. I like his game a lot. A lot of pundits are buying into him as well. The FG article highlights some nice changes for him.

On a side note, I give Seitzer a whole lotta contract very soon.
 
Braves1976 said:
That same "solid CFer" along with multiple prospects including top prospect Wisler and a draft pick came back for Kimbrel while dumping Melvin's contract. So if you think Maybin has anywhere near the trade value as Kimbrel you're just plain wrong. No offense meant as I like you and think some give you too hard a time around here.

Keep in mind you could still trade Kimbrel again later for a lot more than Maybin is worth in any deal.
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I'm of the opinion that closers aren't that impactful. The best closer vs the 15th best closer is marginal in my opinion... maybe a game or two. Give me Kimbrel for a couple million, then sure. But not at $12M.

Maybin has certainly been more valuable this year - and I'd bet will continue to be for the enxt couple years assuming health.

But someone performing like Maybin vs BJ Upton is drastic.
 
The only reason that I would hold onto Maybin next year is so that we can get a long look at Mallex at the major league level whilest still having a wild card in Maybin as a potential starting CF in 2017. A nice back up option in case Mallex or someone else isn't getting it done in CF. With that in mind if you can dump his salary and get a good prospect in return it would be hard for me to say no. Especially if you can manage to package him with CJ.
 
weso1 said:
The only reason that I would hold onto Maybin next year is so that we can get a long look at Mallex at the major league level whilest still having a wild card in Maybin as a potential starting CF in 2017. A nice back up option in case Mallex or someone else isn't getting it done in CF. With that in mind if you can dump his salary and get a good prospect in return it would be hard for me to say no. Especially if you can manage to package him with CJ.
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Since money isn't an issue for us this year, I'd just as soon eat the salary for CJ or trade him for a draft pick if you could get it. If the $ doesn't matter and we are well under payroll limits, just eat it and get a better return. At this point you may be pot committed on him and just ride it out.

That's IF you deal Maybin and CJ in the same deal of course.
 
sturg33 said:
I'm of the opinion that closers aren't that impactful. The best closer vs the 15th best closer is marginal in my opinion... maybe a game or two. Give me Kimbrel for a couple million, then sure. But not at $12M.

Maybin has certainly been more valuable this year - and I'd bet will continue to be for the enxt couple years assuming health.

But someone performing like Maybin vs BJ Upton is drastic.
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I think the biggest difference in closers can be measured through the Ulcer Factor, as in, "How many ulcers does the closer create among the fan base?" The difference over a season isn't that great, but there are instances of extreme variance depending on the construction of the team.
 
Tapate50 said:
Since money isn't an issue for us this year, I'd just as soon eat the salary for CJ or trade him for a draft pick if you could get it. If the $ doesn't matter and we are well under payroll limits, just eat it and get a better return. At this point you may be pot committed on him and just ride it out.

That's IF you deal Maybin and CJ in the same deal of course.
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Sure woulda been nice to save the money on Cahill and used it to dump CJ on another team
 
Also someone like Kimbrel is way more valuable to a playoff team (unless Fredi is the manager). Over the course of the season the difference between a Kimbrell and a Grilli isn't that much. Certainly better but the wins impact isn't that great. In the playoffs? Different animal. It was smart to trae him when it was decided we were going into rebuild mode. Even better that we got BJ sent with him. Even better yet we got Maybin in return with the way he is hitting.
 
weso1 said:
The only reason that I would hold onto Maybin next year is so that we can get a long look at Mallex at the major league level whilest still having a wild card in Maybin as a potential starting CF in 2017. A nice back up option in case Mallex or someone else isn't getting it done in CF. With that in mind if you can dump his salary and get a good prospect in return it would be hard for me to say no. Especially if you can manage to package him with CJ.
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Dumping his salary would be fine - but at some point we need to spend some money and since we're guaranteed to not get Heyward or Upton, there's not a whole lot of impact left out there (except pitching)
 
sturg33 said:
I've hated the Cahill trade from the start
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No I know.
I'm just saying I think there's definitely things the FO would do differently if they could see the future and go back in time. No team has 100% of their moves work out.
 
yeezus said:
I'm with you, no interest in signing Fowler.
A majority of long-term FA contracts these days are going to end up being terrible half way thru.
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If for some reason Smith or Peraza isn't seen as the long-term answer (or is traded), Maybin could likely be extended for the same amount of money Fowler will cost this winter - but he gives you a similar (or better) player than Dexter without locking you into another longer-term commitment. He just fits a rebuilding team perfectly - if he keeps performing like he has and Smith or Peraza forces their way into consideration for the job Cam might well bring back a really nice piece or two...maybe even a cheap "Closer In Training" plus another piece.

The best thing about him is that you don't HAVE to do anything with him - if Mallex or Peraza somehow wrestles the job away from him between now and 2017, the total salary spent on one of them starting and having Cam as your (very good) 4th OF would be acceptable IMO.
 
I love Maybin, like this dude has been a great player, but I have always loved his attitude. I hope he continues to stay hot, because class-acts like him are a dime a dozen in this league. He deserves it.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
I love Maybin, like this dude has been a great player, but I have always loved his attitude. I hope he continues to stay hot, because class-acts like him are a dime a dozen in this league. He deserves it.
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Exactly this! BTW, I was at the game when the boos for Melvin erupted. I hated that he failed, hated the contract, but he admitted and owned the fact that he sucked and short of giving the money back, I thought it was sincere. I think our blessing in disguise is Cameron Maybin.
 
sturg33 said:
This baffles me that so many people struggle with this.
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I think it's a reasonable argument that Cahill isn't stopping us from taking on CJ's money while trading him away. If we didn't take on Cahill we'd have more money to use this year, sure. But it isn't necessarily stopping us from anything.
 
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