Braves donate Justin Upton to Padres for prospects

BRule said:
He wasn't offered a contract, so you can't really say that....despite what the rumors are. You have no way to know what Jason would have said if we offered him a contract with T, Freddie, Simmons. Rumors are rumors and they might be from good sources but those rumors are after we never offered him a contract.
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I think both sides knew the parameters of what each side would be willing to offer/sign. This isn't a take it or leave it business, but if the Stanton contract is the new normal for top-end players, Heyward wanted to at least be in the low-rent part of that neighborhood.

PS--I should amend that to "Heyward likely wanted." We don't know what he wants exactly.
 
BRule said:
He wasn't offered a contract, so you can't really say that....despite what the rumors are. You have no way to know what Jason would have said if we offered him a contract with T, Freddie, Simmons. Rumors are rumors and they might be from good sources but those rumors are after we never offered him a contract.
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What's the point of offering a contract if his agent told the Braves that without an offer of at least 220 million, he would become a free agent? Not saying that's exactly what happened, but it seems likely what did.
 
Hawk said:
It's fine for you to have the opinion that you do -- you aren't the only one.

But before you go around making baseless claims, you at least owe it to everybody who is reading to get your facts straight.
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And I never said that Jason turned down a contract offer so please don't make baseless claims about what I said.
 
BRule said:
He wasn't offered a contract, so you can't really say that....despite what the rumors are. You have no way to know what Jason would have said if we offered him a contract with T, Freddie, Simmons. Rumors are rumors and they might be from good sources but those rumors are after we never offered him a contract.
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thethe said:
Well I believe what ramadon posted on here so I guess to each his own.
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The implication could not be more clear cut.

If you want to try to wriggle away (on the basis of 'well, I didn't actually say that') now that you've been called out, fine.
 
gtcway said:
What's the point of offering a contract if his agent told the Braves that without an offer of at least 220 million, he would become a free agent? Not saying that's exactly what happened, but it seems likely what did.
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Because you can say whatever you want but if someone offers you 150 mil, it's hard to say no. Granted Jason might have said no and probably would have BUT at least we would have tried and made offer.....rather than just throwing our hands up and saying "yeah he wasn't signing with us"
 
BRule said:
Because you can say whatever you want but if someone offers you 150 mil, it's hard to say no. Granted Jason might have said no and probably would have BUT at least we would have tried and made offer.....rather than just throwing our hands up and saying "yeah he wasn't signing with us"
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Precisely.

Why is this so hard to understand? Red Sox did this with Lester last offseason.

Although I'm beginning to wonder, more and more, if the Braves FO simply didn't like Heyward. It makes more sense than any of these other half-baked scenarios floating around.
 
Hawk said:
The implication could not be more clear cut.

If you want to try to wriggle away (on the basis of 'well, I didn't actually say that') now that you've been called out, fine.
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I didn't actually say that Jason turned down a contract and neither did ramadon. I'm not even sure what you are accusing me of trying to wiggle away from.
 
thethe said:
I'd like to get more than just Walker. Get Chris Taylor in the deal as well or Gab Guerrero.
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I honestly think Hart will be lucky to get Walker or Paxton for 1 year of JUp. Remember, the Cards "loved" Heyward and only gave up Shelby Miller for him.

I would imagine Heyward and JUp have very similar trade values right now (Heyward is cheaper with a better all around game, JUp with the most coveted RH power), so if Hart gets Walker plus anything else for JUp he should be lauded.
 
Dalyn said:
No team out there thinks they can get Justin Upton for less than Miller and Jenkins. Come on...
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Plus another point made in the comments of that article is that Cameron is bias towards the M's (and the M's are the team that seems to be the most interested in trading for Justin Upton).
 
I like the idea of trading Justin for Walker but I want a little quantity to go with trading Justin and Heyward. I want at least a couple marginal prospects thrown in. We need the depth.

If I am Hart I am trying to expand the deal to get them to take Chris Johnson and/or include DJ Peterson without giving up any of our core players. Maybe something like Justin/Johnson/Gattis for Walker/Peterson/Gurrero/Kivlehan. High price to pay but it would make the Mariners instant world series favorites.
 
cajunrevenge said:
I like the idea of trading Justin for Walker but I want a little quantity to go with trading Justin and Heyward. I want at least a couple marginal prospects thrown in. We need the depth.
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The depth of the organization won't start again for another three years.
 
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