Braves donate Justin Upton to Padres for prospects

emk418 said:
If we're signing Tomas I'd be fine adding another piece with Justin for Walker. Not sure what shape their bullpen is in but maybe David Carpenter as a start? I wonder if they would have any interest in CJ.
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Their bullpen is arguably the best in baseball.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that Jack Zduriencik is just about out of rope in Seattle. The organization has made some huge investments (Cano, King Felix) in recent years that very much puts them in the 'win now' frame of mind.
 
Hawk said:
One thing to keep in mind is that Jack Zduriencik is just about out of rope in Seattle. The organization has made some huge investments (Cano, King Felix) in recent years that very much puts them in the 'win now' frame of mind.
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This is very true. And he's two RH bats short.

Hm.

Double points for spelling " Zduriencik" correctly.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Heyward plays defense as well.

Still waiting to hear what sense it makes to be meeting with a 31-year-old pitcher that will command north of 20 million when we're apparently trying to unload money and aren't interested in being good the next two years.
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I wouldn't give Lester big money either but the notion that everyday hitters are more valueable than pitchers is a fallacy. If you want to throw the argument in that there is much more injury risk then I won't disagree. But, a pitcher's value can certainly exceed a positional players.
 
Hawk said:
One thing to keep in mind is that Jack Zduriencik is just about out of rope in Seattle. The organization has made some huge investments (Cano, King Felix) in recent years that very much puts them in the 'win now' frame of mind.
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Excellent point.
 
Iwakuma, Austin Jackson, and Fernando Rodney are all FA's after this year. They're definitely in win now mode.
 
sentenza said:
When we trade JUp, will we then keep Gattis this season? Or will we trade him, too?
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Naw, they all want white or hispanic (good servants for low pay) players since we are moving to the burbs to bring in the white folk, the "Southern" way.
 
Runnin said:
People will still be yammering about Heyward 2 stadiums from now.
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JohnAdcox said:
This is correct. Frankly, unless we get Stanton, Trout, Price, and Kershaw for, say, BJ, Johnson, and the released Uggla, I fully intend to stay miffed for the foreseeable future.

Logic has absolutely nothing to do with it. Nothing.

Because in a lot of ways, the trade makes perfect sense. And it's also clear that I don't see the endgame. I admit that. And you know what? I don't care. Not even a little. No, I can't justify that. Don't intend to try. I DON'T root for laundry, and Jason Hayward entertained me. I liked the way he represented the team and my hometown, and I have no intention of being talked out of it with all your fancy "facts" and "logic." Yes, I can be downright Republican at times (a sentence I never dreamed I'd type.)

Baseball is a business to the people in the business. To the fans, it's a passion. The day that's no longer true is the day we stop tuning in and stop buying tickets. Until then, we Heyward fans are going to whine. And we're bloody well going to enjoy it.
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Well said.
 
Some people choose to be fans of the name on the back of the jersey. That's fine! No law against that. I cried when we traded Tony Cloninger. Of course, I was pretty young. I hated it when we traded Rico Carty too. But, in my older years, I choose to be a fan for the name on the front of the jersey. jason Heyward is the enemy now. He wears the wrong color jersey. I have hopes that John Hart ill bring a winner to Atlanta. I'm not gonna worry about who is gonna play right field in November. I think he is aware that we need to fill that position.
 
COGPK said:
Some people choose to be fans of the name on the back of the jersey. That's fine! No law against that. I cried when we traded Tony Cloninger. Of course, I was pretty young. I hated it when we traded Rico Carty too. But, in my older years, I choose to be a fan for the name on the front of the jersey. jason Heyward is the enemy now. He wears the wrong color jersey. I have hopes that John Hart ill bring a winner to Atlanta. I'm not gonna worry about who is gonna play right field in November. I think he is aware that we need to fill that position.
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Although I have no idea who those names are you mentioned, this is my feeling as well. I want to win championships, and Heyward for all his War, and uzr (I'm kidding- relax folks) and whatever, couldn't help us bring that home. I'm all for trying another formula that does.

I want a winner, and this team last year blew goat balls and the Giants were back in the WS.

Maybe we need a Heyward only thread ?
 
COGPK said:
Some people choose to be fans of the name on the back of the jersey. That's fine! No law against that. I cried when we traded Tony Cloninger. Of course, I was pretty young. I hated it when we traded Rico Carty too. But, in my older years, I choose to be a fan for the name on the front of the jersey. jason Heyward is the enemy now. He wears the wrong color jersey. I have hopes that John Hart ill bring a winner to Atlanta. I'm not gonna worry about who is gonna play right field in November. I think he is aware that we need to fill that position.
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I won't go as far as saying Heyward is the enemy, but it looks like we're in the same age category and I've learned over the years that teams are revolving doors and guys pass through them. Braves had a great team in the late-1950s/early-1960s when I started paying attention and guys came and left, but it has always been about the Braves for me and the hope they will succeed. I've seen all my favorite guys leave one way or another (Aaron, Murphy, Glavine, Mathews).
 
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