Braves get Matusz from o's

dak said:
Braves are paying for Matusz' remaining salary only, which is about $2.8m. Anyone who signs Matusz to an MLB deal after he clears waivers pay him the prorated MLB minimum, which could save the braves $300k.
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Gotcha. Thanks man
 
skillet said:
I don't understand this logic. We are sending Baltimore $3.9MM. How could we then use that same money to pay a top 20 talent at 40?
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It's the slot money assigned to each pick in the draft. The slot value of the 76th pick is added to the Braves revenue pool. Gives them the opportunity to take a guy who won't sign for slot at #40 or #44 and divert money from later picks to get those types of guys. It just gives them more flexibility.

The $2.8 million they are paying Matusz only counts in overall resources and not the resources that can be expended in the draft, for which total bonus amounts are regulated for the first ten rounds.
 
This is a fair trade. A gamble on both sides. I have to think the Braves really have an idea in who they are going to select with this pick. The bad news is that the Braves also wanted Olivera. The good news is they traded for Mallex Smith.
 
50PoundHead said:
It's the slot money assigned to each pick in the draft. The slot value of the 76th pick is added to the Braves revenue pool. Gives them the opportunity to take a guy who won't sign for slot at #40 or #44 and divert money from later picks to get those types of guys. It just gives them more flexibility.

The $2.8 million they are paying Matusz only counts in overall resources and not the resources that can be expended in the draft, for which total bonus amounts are regulated for the first ten rounds.
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Thank you for clearing that up for me.
 
bravos4evr said:
damn, beat me to it! Yep, they traded for the pick, but are planning on using $800k or so to buttress going overslot on #40 or #44 so as to up the overall draft value. $800k of draft slush fund is worth at least as much as $4m payroll dollars and 2 low level players because there is a limit with severe punishments for overage. This gives the team the option of something like this :

#3 pick Groome for $5.8 m
#40 pick Kieboom for $2.3m (using the $700k left from Groome)
#44 pick if a guy like Ray falls due to signability (and there's always someone who drops like a rock for $$$ or other reasons) , you could go $2.5m here using the overage from the Matusz deal

Basically, this trade puts us 2nd in overall bonus slot money by $800k below the Reds. This is a good thing!
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your math is wrong we are around 12.3 mill and this 800 grand will put us only ahead of the Friars. Not sure about spending ~3 for 850 grand in draft.

at least keep the Reliever and see what you can do.. it is a lost season and doesn't hurt to try. I like the idea of buying draft picks.. just not at the expense of minor league depth plus money for only 850 grand..

Now I have said for a week or so that the Braves will get another draft pick.. When Coppi has a boner for something he gets it.. not always at a good price, but he will eventually get it.. He has a plan for this draft, so I expect something spectacular.. I can't take much more from them without really doubting their ability to rebuild.
 
weso1 said:
This is a fair trade. A gamble on both sides. I have to think the Braves really have an idea in who they are going to select with this pick. The bad news is that the Braves also wanted Olivera. The good news is they traded for Mallex Smith.
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Probably somebody who won't be a top 100 guy. Then the board will erupt with posts about how they are cheap etc when they don't draft a top 100 ranked guy at 76. Meanwhile they do things like this trade to acquire money and get blasted for trading a couple of fringe prospects who won't crack our top 30 and get roasted for how much they overpaid.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
your math is wrong we are around 12.3 mill and this 800 grand will put us only ahead of the Friars. Not sure about spending ~3 for 850 grand in draft.

at least keep the Reliever and see what you can do.. it is a lost season and doesn't hurt to try. I like the idea of buying draft picks.. just not at the expense of minor league depth plus money for only 850 grand..

Now I have said for a week or so that the Braves will get another draft pick.. When Coppi has a boner for something he gets it.. not always at a good price, but he will eventually get it.. He has a plan for this draft, so I expect something spectacular.. I can't take much more from them without really doubting their ability to rebuild.
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So you wouldn't pay the 2.3 million plus the signing bonus of the 40th pick to possibly acquire a guy who is top 10 in our system just because we needed to keep two guys who are never going to come close to it?

And if you don't acquire it for minor league depth and money, what do we pay to get the draft picks? Actual prospects?
 
bravesfanMatt said:
your math is wrong we are around 12.3 mill and this 800 grand will put us only ahead of the Friars. Not sure about spending ~3 for 850 grand in draft.

at least keep the Reliever and see what you can do.. it is a lost season and doesn't hurt to try. I like the idea of buying draft picks.. just not at the expense of minor league depth plus money for only 850 grand..

Now I have said for a week or so that the Braves will get another draft pick.. When Coppi has a boner for something he gets it.. not always at a good price, but he will eventually get it.. He has a plan for this draft, so I expect something spectacular.. I can't take much more from them without really doubting their ability to rebuild.
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you are right, I must have misread the phllies number as something else. (oops!) right now it looks like this :

Reds- $13,923,700
Phils- $13,405,200
Braves- $13,224,100 (estimated)

still, $800k is a nice addition to the bonus pool
 
It was an easy guess IMO on why they wanted the pick, that is the $838,900 (figure assigned to the 76th pick) to their bonus pool. I mean we already knew from previous reports about that and it isn't hard to figure how they could use it. Further, I sure hope we make good use of it as Barker and Belicik look like future MLB players to me.
 
CJ9 said:
And it isn't even close.
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Of course anyone can turn into a future HoF talent or even a productive major leaguer. But we are going off the word of our scouts that the potential we are giving up is not as good as the talent we have. And the talent we can get from the draft may be more valuable.

If we get a good bat in the draft due to this trade or a future stud I'm okay with the move
 
bravos4evr said:
damn, beat me to it! Yep, they traded for the pick, but are planning on using $800k or so to buttress going overslot on #40 or #44 so as to up the overall draft value. $800k of draft slush fund is worth at least as much as $4m payroll dollars and 2 low level players because there is a limit with severe punishments for overage. This is a good thing!
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Yup, I liked Barker, but if this allows us to get two top notch hitting prospects in our top three picks it's well worth it.
 
ChadWC said:
So you wouldn't pay the 2.3 million plus the signing bonus of the 40th pick to possibly acquire a guy who is top 10 in our system just because we needed to keep two guys who are never going to come close to it?

And if you don't acquire it for minor league depth and money, what do we pay to get the draft picks? Actual prospects?
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I think he was just saying that they could have given Matusz a shot as he couldn't be a worse option than some of the guys in our pen already. I don't disagree
 
I get ppl liked those guys

I get low round picks can impact.

But the braves seem to be able to crank out 4th or 5th starters and bp guys with regularity. They'll draft a couple more guys in the 20 something round and replace them.

If we end up trading potential low ceiling pitching prospects for a chance at an impact arm or bat....I'm good with that
 
bravos4evr said:
I think he was just saying that they could have given Matusz a shot as he couldn't be a worse option than some of the guys in our pen already. I don't disagree
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Yeah, not like we have some relief prospects beating down the door at the moment, no reason to not try and catch lightning in the bottle and flip him at the deadline if so.
 
ChadWC said:
So you wouldn't pay the 2.3 million plus the signing bonus of the 40th pick to possibly acquire a guy who is top 10 in our system just because we needed to keep two guys who are never going to come close to it?

And if you don't acquire it for minor league depth and money, what do we pay to get the draft picks? Actual prospects?
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Not sure 2.8 million is worth 850 grand. Not saying I don't want more picks to over slot. 850 grand is a lot of money but is it enough to block the Reds from taking who we want at #40. if we were talking 1.5+ then you might be talking. we gave up two prospects plus 2.8 million for a 850 grand.

take the example from above.. say you sign Groome at 5.7 million.. that leaves you 800 grand for #40.. now add another 800 grand and you have 1.6 million more to go to #40.. that puts that pick at around 12 pick value. So basically you could get a ~15th best player at 40 if the Reds don't steal him. Then you can use full allotment for #44.. junk player at #76.. I don't know.. it might be a good call.. Just the reds scare me.
 
50PoundHead said:
More odd than anything else. Matusz has to feel kind of crappy. I wouldn''t be surprised if he is flipped at the deadline.

I like both Barker and Belicek, but they are more depth than anything else. Of course, who would have thought Williams Perez would have been in the big league rotation three years ago.
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Matusz was already designated
 
auyushu said:
Yeah, not like we have some relief prospects beating down the door at the moment, no reason to not try and catch lightning in the bottle and flip him at the deadline if so.
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Yea I don't get why we dfa'd him? Heck he was pretty darn good the past 3 years. Why not at least give him a shot to see if he rebounds and then maybe flip him at the deadline? Odd.
 
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