Braves get Matusz from o's

bravesfanMatt said:
Not sure 2.8 million is worth 850 grand. Not saying I don't want more picks to over slot. 850 grand is a lot of money but is it enough to block the Reds from taking who we want at #40. if we were talking 1.5+ then you might be talking. we gave up two prospects plus 2.8 million for a 850 grand.

take the example from above.. say you sign Groome at 5.7 million.. that leaves you 800 grand for #40.. now add another 800 grand and you have 1.6 million more to go to #40.. that puts that pick at around 12 pick value. So basically you could get a ~15th best player at 40 if the Reds don't steal him. Then you can use full allotment for #44.. junk player at #76.. I don't know.. it might be a good call.. Just the reds scare me.
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I have a feeling we may not be done. Could see another one or two of these types of deals
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Not sure 2.8 million is worth 850 grand. Not saying I don't want more picks to over slot. 850 grand is a lot of money but is it enough to block the Reds from taking who we want at #40. if we were talking 1.5+ then you might be talking. we gave up two prospects plus 2.8 million for a 850 grand.

take the example from above.. say you sign Groome at 5.7 million.. that leaves you 800 grand for #40.. now add another 800 grand and you have 1.6 million more to go to #40.. that puts that pick at around 12 pick value. So basically you could get a ~15th best player at 40 if the Reds don't steal him. Then you can use full allotment for #44.. junk player at #76.. I don't know.. it might be a good call.. Just the reds scare me.
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Reds have an edge, but i reckon there will be two guys around 40 and 44 we will want to go overslot for.
 
skillet said:
Yea I don't get why we dfa'd him? Heck he was pretty darn good the past 3 years. Why not at least give him a shot to see if he rebounds and then maybe flip him at the deadline? Odd.
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EoF has the Keith Lockhart pictures and the FO had their hands tied. They had to keep EoF over Matusz
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Not sure 2.8 million is worth 850 grand. Not saying I don't want more picks to over slot. 850 grand is a lot of money but is it enough to block the Reds from taking who we want at #40. if we were talking 1.5+ then you might be talking. we gave up two prospects plus 2.8 million for a 850 grand.

take the example from above.. say you sign Groome at 5.7 million.. that leaves you 800 grand for #40.. now add another 800 grand and you have 1.6 million more to go to #40.. that puts that pick at around 12 pick value. So basically you could get a ~15th best player at 40 if the Reds don't steal him. Then you can use full allotment for #44.. junk player at #76.. I don't know.. it might be a good call.. Just the reds scare me.
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I guess you'll have to pretend whoever the over slot guy is, add 2.8 million to his payment. It's still peanuts in the grand scheme and if money isn't a problem, we shouldn't worry about it if they are willing to do it. I just get tired of hearing over and over they are cheap and then they start buying picks and then people freak out.

I don't think the $850 is about blocking anybody. But guys tell teams all the time I will not sign if you draft me and teams don't pick them. Like Kolby Allard refusing to throw for anybody but the Braves or Daz Cameron telling everyone he won't sign with them because he had the deal in place with the Astros before the draft.
 
skillet said:
I don't understand this logic. We are sending Baltimore $3.9MM. How could we then use that same money to pay a top 20 talent at 40?
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Why would you condemn a trade when you have zero knowledge about the draft/financial rules of baseball? Typical ignorant angry comments?
 
bravesfanforlife88 said:
I have not paid too much attention to the rules. But what is the affect of the mlb player draft as opposed to the international draft?
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each have their own designated set of bonus slot limits. (and there isn't an international draft, just an alloted amt of $$$ for each team and 100% taxes on all overages. and if you go over you cannot sign any int. players for more than $300k for the next 2 signing periods)) But in the regular draft, if you go over your money there are stiff fines and draft pick losses for going over your total.
 
bravos4evr said:
each have their own designated set of bonus slot limits. (and there isn't an international draft, just an alloted amt of $$$ for each team and 100% taxes on all overages. and if you go over you cannot sign any int. players for more than $300k for the next 2 signing periods)) But in the regular draft, if you go over your money there are stiff fines and draft pick losses for going over your total.
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Meant international signing. But makes sense. I know we figure to spend big on both ends
 
yep, I figure they will blow it out on the International front this year. They have been connected with 3 or 4 of the top 20 guys (including consensus #1 Kevin Maitan) might as well use the saved payroll $$$ to buy a future.
 
bravos4evr said:
yep, I figure they will blow it out on the International front this year. They have been connected with 3 or 4 of the top 20 guys (including consensus #1 Kevin Maitan) might as well use the saved payroll $$$ to buy a future.
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I'm hoping maitan is the stud everyone thinks he will be. If the braves can get some good bats in the international signing class, getting Groome at #3 could be great. That kid is said to be a possible TOR starter
 
ChadWC said:
I guess you'll have to pretend whoever the over slot guy is, add 2.8 million to his payment. It's still peanuts in the grand scheme and if money isn't a problem, we shouldn't worry about it if they are willing to do it. I just get tired of hearing over and over they are cheap and then they start buying picks and then people freak out.

I don't think the $850 is about blocking anybody. But guys tell teams all the time I will not sign if you draft me and teams don't pick them. Like Kolby Allard refusing to throw for anybody but the Braves or Daz Cameron telling everyone he won't sign with them because he had the deal in place with the Astros before the draft.
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imagine taking Lewis at 3. I have a good feeling he would under slot by a lot. maybe sign him for 4 million. that leaves you 2.5 million plus the 800 grand to over slot both 40 and 44.. at around 15 pick value..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
imagine taking Lewis at 3. I have a good feeling he would under slot by a lot. maybe sign him for 4 million. that leaves you 2.5 million plus the 800 grand to over slot both 40 and 44.. at around 15 pick value..
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I've read Lewis is a big number to sign. He's also got a lot of leverage.
 
I would think Groome would be a better bet to be under slot than Lewis. Lots of risk for HS arms to go to college and get injured. but hell, if you look at the history of the draft it seems to be all over the place who goes over slot and who goes under in the top 10 picks.
 
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