Braves get Matusz from o's

Wonder if the Bravos might do something weird like take Nick Senzel 3rd wayy under slot and go wayy over slot for their next 2 picks? Lots of talk out there that the Phillies are going AJ Puk #1 with the Reds going Lewis or Pint #2. If Groome really is asking for $7m+ then a guy like Senzel would be a good combo of skill and $$$.
 
I would be beyond shocked if a guy turned down top-5 slot money to go to college. I can see it toward the end of the first, and it's happened before there, but top 5? That would be crazy.
 
i applaud this move.

Like every fan base we tend to overrate our own prospects - we didn't trade two 'nobodies' but we didn't trade anything special and we certainly didn't put a dent in our pitching depth.

Baker has had a fine season but long term how many starting pitchers does he slot behind in our system? Folty, Blair, Teheran, Wisler, Perez, Jenkins, Newcombe, sims, Soroka, allard, Gant, povse, wiegel - I could keep going.....

What good is accumulating all that pitching depth if you don't use it?? The 76th pick and that slot money represents upside that Baker/Belichek don't have.

Braves fans complain when all we do is trade for pitching, then braves fans complain when we trade that pitching in a reasonable deal.
 
Only some people here/the internet where you could find people who hate this trade
 
ChadWC said:
Then why chime in? Everybody knows major league players never played in the minors. Acquiring minor league assets is pointless. At least in your world those things are true.
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he has no idea, at all, what he's talking about. just ignore him. he doesn't understand really anything.
 
We traded a couple guys who didn't have a ton of value and who didn't fit into our long term plans for a nice draft pick that no doubt fits into a bigger plan.

That's what I think get overlooked. Roy Clark and co have cooked up a scheme and Coppy has been working hard to get them the draft picks needed to make the scheme work. I think we'll be thrilled about all this come draft day.
 
My take

Expected value of the draft pick is about 1 win.

Expect value of Barker is about 0.5 wins.

Kicking in the dough and Belicek evens things out.

Fair trade.
 
nsacpi said:
My take

Expected value of the draft pick is about 1 win.

Expect value of Barker is about 0.5 wins.

Kicking in the dough and Belicek evens things out.

Fair trade.
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but I think the idea actually is acquiring the pick for the money it allots you, not the pick itself. so it kinda shakes that analysis up. certainly tough to quantify.
 
yeezus said:
but I think the idea actually is acquiring the pick for the money it allots you, not the pick itself. so it kinda shakes that analysis up. certainly tough to quantify.
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That's a plausible argument. That somehow the FO will find a way to leverage the draft pick so they get more value out of it than is normal. I have no idea how to quantify the extra value there. My instinct is that any extra value would not be that big. But you never know.
 
yeezus said:
but I think the idea actually is acquiring the pick for the money it allots you, not the pick itself. so it kinda shakes that analysis up. certainly tough to quantify.
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Right exactly; its not the 76th pick that they necessarily got - its the money which may allow them to get a top-20ish guy at #40..... lots of ways that could shake out.

Its all about flexibility, the guy they want to fall might not; and they just end up grabbing BPA at #76 as well.
 
Barker isn't a non prospect, which is why I don't like it. We took on a good bit of salary and sent them a starting pitching prospect who is currently dominating AA with a 3+ K/BB ratio. He may not have been an elite prospect, but, imo, he is worth more than 7th pick in the draft (and the 2.8 million still owed to Matusz).
 
Carp said:
Barker isn't a non prospect, which is why I don't like it. We took on a good bit of salary and sent them a starting pitching prospect who is currently dominating AA with a 3+ K/BB ratio. He may not have been an elite prospect, but, imo, he is worth more than 7th pick in the draft (and the 2.8 million still owed to Matusz).
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there are so many guys in the minors like Barker. so many. we're shooting for upside here.
 
I like Barker, but we're talking about a 23-year-old with eight good starts in Double A. Before this season, his numbers are average at best. I don't see any real downside to this.
 
rico43 said:
Just an odd thought about Matusz ... Just because the Braves are DFA, it doesn't mean that he can't clear waivers, be outrighted and drop off the 40-man. He was DFA, not released outright. He could still stick around with the Braves.
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And if someone claims him, you have the opportunity to work out a trade within 10 days. At least that's how the DFA used to work.
 
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