Braves in talks with DBacks for Trevor Cahill

clvclv said:
"Graduated" being the operative term here. Name another player in the system not named Peraza BEFORE the trades with that kind of upside.
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I don't follow the system as closely as many of you do. I just see the stats and an occasional highlight. Everyone is in agreement with independent evaluators that we were thin. I understand your point.

Additionally, I like my leadoff hitters to have a fat delta between their .300 BA and their OBP, so I'm not sure Peraza is all that, either, until he learns to take a pitch.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
I don't know what is so hard to understand about this. Under Wren our farm system went from one of the best in baseball to one of the worst. His drafting was horrible. We weren't developing talent. That's why we had to do this rebuild. We had two options, go for it this year and try to go head to head vs Washington (not to mention improving teams like NY and Miami) or take the long view approach of rebuilding what was broken. If you go for it this year and don't win then what have you accomplished? Next year would be real ugly. No improved farm system, no Heyward, no Upton. Still having a hard time understanding why fans are so upset. The reason the Braves have had the success they have had is because of a good farm system. We won't be able to win without one so if you don't go about fixing that you can't win. That is the main reason Wren is no longer here and Hart is.
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This has been beaten to death.

I have zero idea why some fans wanted to go in for one year where they'd be lucky to make the playoffs and would have nothing to show for it except some late 1st round picks.

But thats some fans for ya.

The team was way too flawed and needed change.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
I don't follow the system as closely as many of you do. I just see the stats and an occasional highlight. Everyone is in agreement with independent evaluators that we were thin. I understand your point.

Additionally, I like my leadoff hitters to have a fat delta between their .300 BA and their OBP, so I'm not sure Peraza is all that, either, until he learns to take a pitch.
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I think Mallex Smith is the future leadoff hitter. Peraza seems to me to be the perfect 2 hole hitter. Great contact guy that you can put Smith in motion and make things happen. Also not a guy that will be doubled up often.
 
thethe said:
I think Mallex Smith is the future leadoff hitter. Peraza seems to me to be the perfect 2 hole hitter. Great contact guy that you can put Smith in motion and make things happen. Also not a guy that will be doubled up often.
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If we are planning a team that consists of Smith, Peraza, Simmons, Peterson, Markakis, and Bethancourt... Are we going to hit ANY home runs?
 
sturg33 said:
Care to give me a few examples of worse players with worse contracts traded? (without teams eating portions of the contract).
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Too lazy to think of any right now.

Vernon Wells is about it for now but point being you can trade mostly, note mostly anyone if you want too.
 
ChapelHillMatt said:
You can't stop developing your system just because some make it to the majors. You have to continue to draft well and be ready to replace them if need be. If nothing else it would give you trading chips to improve the major league team. Besides outside of Freeman none of the position players were developing at the major league level.....as much as some of you love Heyward he had been a disappointment. Simmons and Heyward were great defensively but at some point you have to hit don't you? You have a point with the pitchers but I think McDowell is a big reason why we seem to develop arms. He's a very good pitching coach.
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Agree. Good points.
 
sturg33 said:
If we are planning a team that consists of Smith, Peraza, Simmons, Peterson, Markakis, and Bethancourt... Are we going to hit ANY home runs?
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We will be close to the league low for sure. Not sure if that is relevant to having a good offense though. Its great to have that weapon but if you can't acquire that then are you just going to throw your hands up and quit?
 
Heyward said:
This has been beaten to death.

I have zero idea why some fans wanted to go in for one year where they'd be lucky to make the playoffs and would have nothing to show for it except some late 1st round picks.

But thats some fans for ya.

The team was way too flawed and needed change.
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The year before ESPN had ceded the NL East to Washington and we won 96 games, blew them out. I'm not willing to concede that this team as it was constructed on 10/1/14, with a few adjustments, wouldn't have been a contender in 2015.

I will concede this was probably the better long range development move. It better be, you brought in 15 minor league players.

Water under the bridge, anyway. It's done. Go Braves.
 
thethe said:
We will be close to the league low for sure. Not sure if that is relevant to having a good offense though. Its great to have that weapon but if you can't acquire that then are you just going to throw your hands up and quit?
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No... you work to obtain hitters that can do more than slap singles. We have dumped those power players in favor of slap hitters
 
Heyward said:
Too lazy to think of any right now.

Vernon Wells is about it for now but point being you can trade mostly, note mostly anyone if you want too.
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It's simply not the case anymore. Teams are smarter and won't take on garbage. We couldn't give away Chris Johnson or BJ Upton because of their contracts. Markakis will be similar.
 
sturg33 said:
No... you work to obtain hitters that can do more than slap singles. We have dumped those power players in favor of slap hitters
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Peraza is the only "slap" hitter that you listed there. The others are double hitters that are contact oriented. Also, with their speed a lot of those hits in the gaps will turn into doubles and triples.
 
Hope we do better with speed and contact guys than in the past. That has ALWAYS been a weakness for the Braves, even at the best of times.
 
clvclv said:
Then maybe you ought to just skip over my posts. I think there's a button for that. It's tough to slow down and make sure that every word in every post can't be questioned, and I typically try to do so more than many around here.

Again, nit-pick away - you don't really think I give a *hit whether you like what I have to say or not, do you?
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Lordy you are such a hypocrite... You are the king of nit-picking when you don't agree.
 
BTW just to add to this. I was talking to my cousin (lifetime Orioles fan) just 2 days ago about Markakis. He laughed his ass off at how much we spent. Went on to confirm that the stats are right, that he just doesn't have the range he used to have.And even more alarming just talked about how th eball doesn't jump off his bat. As is evident by his fading line drive distance.
 
zitothebrave said:
BTW just to add to this. I was talking to my cousin (lifetime Orioles fan) just 2 days ago about Markakis. He laughed his ass off at how much we spent. Went on to confirm that the stats are right, that he just doesn't have the range he used to have.And even more alarming just talked about how th eball doesn't jump off his bat. As is evident by his fading line drive distance.
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And then there are some Brave fans who say Heyward is a disappointment and will never live to his potential.

Lesson learned from this? Lets just see how the player performs.
 
thethe said:
And then there are some Brave fans who say Heyward is a disappointment and will never live to his potential.

Lesson learned from this? Lets just see how the player performs.
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Except my cousin had a raging boner for Markakis most of his career. It would be more like if at 30 Jason was in decline and I said "man he's losing it"
 
Sounds like a case of ex-Oriolitis.

We have seen our own version of that plenty around these parts.
 
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