blueagleace1
Playing the Waiting Game
Would never happen. Davidson can't be traded yet anyways!
Braves Meeting with Lester
- Thread starter Hawk
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Would never happen. Davidson can't be traded yet anyways!
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
A team can do the "player to be named later" wink wink trick.
blueagleace1
Playing the Waiting Game
PTBNL aren't typically used in blockbuster trades. Not like the Braves would have any interest in moving their 1st overall pick who can play OF (yes the position that we have absolutely ZERO prospects besides Braxton).
I may be wrong but I can't think of a single 1st round draft pick that was traded within the first three years of being drafted. If you/anyone does please share.
zbhargrove
Well-known member
They aren't TYPICALLY included (PTBNL), but have been in the past... not that it matters anyways. We're not trading our 1st round pick before we even know what we really have in him.
rico43
<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
How quickly we forget. Sean Gilmartin, drafted June 2011, traded to Twins December 2013 for the immortal Ryan Doumit.
Millwood1Hitter
Anytime Now Frankie...
An absolutely horrible draft pick moved for an absolute terrible baseball player.
Kinda gives me an idea of just the way Wren and Company thought in their evaluation of players and their knee jerk reactions....after the success of drafting a similiar supposed low upside pitcher in Minor (although I really liked that pick because I thought his upside was greater than many thought) and developing him into a very good prospect and MLB pitcher, it's as if Wren thought he would try to see if lightning struck in the same spot. Gilmartin did not have the potential upside of Minor, and it was an absolutely useless pick.
And the Doumit move was...well....shortsighted....they saw the success that we had with having a potential 3rd catcher on the roster the previous year with McCann, Gattis, and Laird and the flexibility it brought with having the ability of one of McCann or Gattis (whoever wasn't starting) coming off the bench late in the game to hit. So it's as if Wren was like, hey let's acquire the best bat possible that can also play C. Doumit has had a good career, but there was nothing to show that he would thrive in the potential role as envisioned.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
That's why I included us getting Jackson. But this all goes back to my point that this is just an outline. Clearly many tweaks would have to happen on the professional level.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Millwood1Hitter
Anytime Now Frankie...
Hart says it's a longshot. Hope he still shows up.
Hart: "On my drive to the meeting, my feeling was that there was no reason to believe that John Lester would sign with us, and the timing just was not right, so if my assumption is right, Lester will not be an Atlanta Brave, and then I decided to get on the phone and cancel the meeting."
And, then, as if on cue ...
Jim Bowden: 10 Bold Predictions for this off-season:
1. Jon Lester re-signs with the Boston Red Sox
Most analysts think Lester has pitched his last game for the Red Sox … I'm not one of them. I think the Chicago Cubs will offer the most years (6) and dollars, but a return to Boston for fewer years (5) and less money is my prediction. The Red Sox desperately need a top-of-rotation starter and won't be a legitimate contender unless they get one. Lester was happy in Boston, and unless the Cubs blow the Sox's offer away, I think that's where he lands.
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Also, number 5;
5. Justin Upton is NOT traded by Braves
Many baseball observers think the Braves will deal Upton for more starting pitching, with some speculating a deal to the Mariners for Taijuan Walker is a possibility. I personally don't think the Braves can trade Upton because that would leave them with no protection for first baseman Freddie Freeman in the middle of their lineup. I also think it's important that they tie up the 27-year-old outfielder long-term, which I think they'll do, likely a deal that is back-loaded and focused on 2017, the year their new stadium will open.
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If the Braves must trade Justin Upton, I think Taijuan Walker would be a sensational return.
There's two ways to look at this. If we have a young controllable rotation, money coming off the books, and additional revenue coming in 2017, then it makes perfect sense to sign Lester as our ace to a backloaded contract and spin Minor for hitting. We can always find a #5 starter. The other side is Hart could be doing this as PR to keep fans on the proverbial hook due to the fallout of the Heyward trade with the fanbase.
I think there is a legit chance here. Lester is 32 and a family man. That's about the time you really start wanting to be more of a dad. Money is not everything once you already have some. The key is Hart pitching him that we're going to stay relevant during this "reload".
I think there is a legit chance here. Lester is 32 and a family man. That's about the time you really start wanting to be more of a dad. Money is not everything once you already have some. The key is Hart pitching him that we're going to stay relevant during this "reload".
I can't see JUp bringing Paxton or Walker plus Miller. If that trade is indeed a possibility I would hope Hart jumps all over it. He could easily piece together a decent FA OF with all the money saved by having a super cheap rotation and IF.
In fact, I don't even see one of Paxton or Walker as likely for 1 year of JUp.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
It makes sense to keep Upton on paper...but this is real life. His brother is killing the organization (not on purpose but he is). He knows the braves want to dump his brother. He's close to his brother. I just don't see it working out long term.
Maybe he'd sign until the end of his brother's contract, but then he'd hit the FA market as an older guy and it doesn't make a lot of sense.
I'm now in the blow it up camp if you get a great return. I'm not trading him for a meh return. But if you get a guy you think locks down a spot for 6 years like Walker, then you go get him.
If we are going to have a stud and pretty cheap starting rotation with a guy like walker (NOT Lester), then you can focus your drafting, scouting, signing, etc on hitters.
Maybe he'd sign until the end of his brother's contract, but then he'd hit the FA market as an older guy and it doesn't make a lot of sense.
I'm now in the blow it up camp if you get a great return. I'm not trading him for a meh return. But if you get a guy you think locks down a spot for 6 years like Walker, then you go get him.
If we are going to have a stud and pretty cheap starting rotation with a guy like walker (NOT Lester), then you can focus your drafting, scouting, signing, etc on hitters.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I think JUp could get one of them. The Mariners know they're going to have to trade pitching for a RH bat, and there isn't really a RH power bat out there that won't cost a lot of money. Heyward brought in Shelby Miller, who was just as good a prospect as those guys (if not better) and is honestly still regarded pretty highly. I could see it.
This is the more likely scenario. We have no chance at Lester