Braves sniffing around on Markakis; Official 4 years 44 million.

thewupk said:
14 per year for a 2 WAR player. Hey for another 14 million we can find another 2 WAR player. That's 28 million for 4 WAR. Too bad Jason would have signed for 25 million and provided us 5+ WAR.
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WAR is starting to mean very little to me in light of current debates over how defense is evaluated. The Braves filled RF for a guy who might end up producing offensively the same numbesr as Heyward for the next 4 years at maybe 40% of the costs.

I will wait to see what the salary is before going crazy about this.
 
atl717 said:
Players like Markakis can be signed for dirt cheap is not good. He's got no pop in his bat anymore. He's not the same player earlier in his career.

And you all will hate his defense. He's soooooo slow, offers no range. RF is so easy to play in Baltimore due to the short fence. He offers no upside, and at his absolute best is an average player. He's nothing like Heyward, Heyward is 10x the player.

Why not trade for Saunders, who is younger, better, and offers more upside? Orioles fans are praying they don't give him big money.
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Orioles fans are also really pissed. They love him in Baltimore and they understand how valuable he is to them. I had a friend tell me today that she'd be highly upset if he left because, and I quote, "he's been a sparkplug for this offense for a long time. He's a solid player and a better leader." Just saying. He's highly regarded.
 
thethe said:
Lets see how his defense is when he has pitchers who are better at hitting their spots.
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Baltimore and the Braves basically had the same pitching numbers last year, the O's had/have a very good roto and BP.
 
thethe said:
. The Braves filled RF for a guy who might end up producing offensively the same numbesr as Heyward for the next 4 years at maybe 40% of the costs.
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Markakis is 31 and tanked in the 2nd half of last year and was AWFUL in 2013
 
Markakis for four years and anything over 8 mill a year is a complete and utter joke. How can anyone think this is a good idea? This is pathetic that we are going to suck this bad. How little do you understand about baseball to think Heyward and Markakis are comparable in anyway. Again, just pathetic.
 
BRule said:
Markakis is 31 and tanked in the 2nd half of last year and was AWFUL in 2013
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No it's ok. Old Markakis is better than Heyward entering his prime. They're the same player. And we can save all that money to sign Justin..........
 
Markakis is projected as a 1 WAR player next year......we are offering him 45 mil..........................:fredi:
 
WAR is stupid.

Heyward gets most of his WAR because he's all-world on defense.

Markakis and Heyward are about the same offensively.

Defensively, obviously Heyward is better since he's all-world there.

But yall are acting like Markakis is terrible.

A career .360 OBP is pretty good.
 
BremanFan88 said:
Markakis for four years and anything over 8 mill a year is a complete and utter joke. How can anyone think this is a good idea? This is pathetic that we are going to suck this bad. How little do you understand about baseball to think Heyward and Markakis are comparable in anyway. Again, just pathetic.
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I don't think anyone has once sad overall as a player they are comparable. Offensively they are similar though and if Heyward continues to stagnate at that end then Markakis could provide the same production over the next 4 years.
 
CyYoung31 said:
Still can't believe we traded Heyward.
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It was the right move, we arent giving him 200 million.

We could have waited for a better deal but better than getting a late draft pick and watch him walk for nothing.
 
BRule said:
Baltimore and the Braves basically had the same pitching numbers last year, the O's had/have a very good roto and BP.
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Orioles historically have had bad pitching. Lets just see how Markakis performs defensively in ATL if he does sign. Not going to be close to Heyward but he might not be a negative.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Orioles fans are also really pissed. They love him in Baltimore and they understand how valuable he is to them. I had a friend tell me today that she'd be highly upset if he left because, and I quote, "he's been a sparkplug for this offense for a long time. He's a solid player and a better leader." Just saying. He's highly regarded.
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Your friend is simply attached because he's been there forever and used to be good. Numbers don't lie, he's not good with the bat anymore. He's a Punch and Judy hitter. I've followed Orioles baseball for 15 years since I live there.

Saying he and Heyward are similar is comical. They might post similar numbers if Heyward has another poor offensive season. Markakis has been poor for awhile now.
 
thethe said:
Orioles historically have had bad pitching. Lets just see how Markakis performs defensively in ATL if he does sign. Not going to be close to Heyward but he might not be a negative.
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Really blaming the O's pitching for Markakis being bad defensively his whole career outside of 1 year? Dude.......come on

Plus he played next to Adam Jones who was amazing defensively last year which SHOULD help him, it didn't.
 
BRule said:
Really blaming the O's D on Markakis being bad defensively his whole career outside of 1 year? Dude.......come on

Plus he played next to Adam Jones who was amazing defensively last year which SHOULD help him, it didn't.
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We will see my friend. Defense has way more variables then just the performance of the actual fielder.
 
Dude, Markakis is slow as hell, that's why he's a poor defender. Decent arm strength, great accuracy but no range. He used to be athletic but has gotten so slow.

Guy spends the whole offseason hunting instead of working out.
 
UNCBlue012 said:
Dammit. Saunders to Toronto for Happ. We could of gotten him it that's all it takes.
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Hmmm....wonder what the comp would have been to Happ. Not sure we have one.

Maybe Seattle is getting ready to trade some pitching for Upton!
 
Heyward said:
WAR is stupid.

Heyward gets most of his WAR because he's all-world on defense.

Markakis and Heyward are about the same offensively.

Defensively, obviously Heyward is better since he's all-world there.

But yall are acting like Markakis is terrible.

A career .360 OBP is pretty good.
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WAR is stupid LOL

Anyways.......

Heyward hasn't even hit his prime, he's only going to get better. You're using Markakis when he was 26-27-28 and he was really good, so his career numbers are skewed. He's been awful the last 2 years and is only getting older. Again, he had a 680 OPS in 2013 and 700 in the second half of last year....he's a fine player for 2 years and 10-12 mil TOTAL not PER YEAR, anything over that is just dumb.
 
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