That 396 Slg he's had in Cincy the last 3 years is really impressive
Braves to acquire Brandon Phillips
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That 396 Slg he's had in Cincy the last 3 years is really impressive
zbhargrove
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Better than Jace with better defense and more pop and not a splits dependent player who we just got for othing.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
SLG is never more important than OBP in any spot in the lineup. never, zero, at no time. In fact, at ANY lineup spot OBP is nearly TWICE as important as SLG. because not making outs is the currency of baseball.
Jace had a 95 WRC+ compared to Phillips 92. Seems one is higher than the other. Arguing over either is silly.
Normally of agree but at some point you wed someone who can hit the ball and with authority.
What?
http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=bat&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2016&month=0&season1=2016&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0&sort=17,d&page=5_30
Phillips was 122nd in WRC+ out of 146 qualified players.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
last 5 years of defensive stats for BP:
DEF: 10.8, 10.9, 9.9, 4.1, - 0.4
UZR: 8.6, 8.7, 8.1, 2.0, -2.1
DRS: 11, 1, 6, 4, -7
he appears to be declining to me
I am in favor of the trade. But offensively Phillips is not close to being good anymore. He's not even league average. This was a move to shore up the defense. We gave up nothing and that's fine.
My bad. Not sure what I was looking at there. Fake news.
Even if he is 122 doesn't that still mean he is better than half the hitters in the league? 8 per nl team and 9 per al team?
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
no this is a misreading of the stats. 100 is average, any number below 100 is below average (and the same reverse) a 92 wRC+ is 8% below average for the year. Even among second baseman for the last 4 years BP was 26th in wRC+ among 43 guys with at leas 1000 PA's at 2b during that time.
No it doesn't.
But saying league average in comparison to the number of players in the league isn't right. His production is below league average of the stats aggregated for all players. Not in comparison to individual players performance.
How many starting hitters spot are there in baseball?
sturg33
I
thethe, you don't have to bend over backwards to defend every move. Just call it what is is,
a bad offensive player who was also bad on defense last year, but at least has the chance to be good there... Is that an upgrade over what we had? Probably not, but there is at least a little upside potential with defense
a bad offensive player who was also bad on defense last year, but at least has the chance to be good there... Is that an upgrade over what we had? Probably not, but there is at least a little upside potential with defense
You tell me.
bravos4evr
Still Playing the Waiting Game
no, that's only compared to hitters that qualified for the batting title by plate appearances.
relative to the entire league in 2016 (omitting guys with tiny sample sizes I will go to 200 PA's as a benchmark) He was 218th out of 353 (and 32nd out of 47 2b with 200 PA's)
he's pretty much not a good hitter anymore.
but look, he cost nothing and might post a 1-1.5 fWAR season, and that has value.
255. That is how any hitters get to say they are starting on a given day. Phillips offensive production is better than half of those guys.