Braves Trade Deadline Rumors

Tapate50 said:
It's not like CJ's D has kept us from becoming a juggernaut.
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It's nonetheless a potential area for improvement. If one thinks Johnson's BAbip recedes and his offensive production falls in the second-half, and likewise that Headley regresses towards his career averages (and thus hits a lot better in the second-half), then it's at least sensible to value the defensive improvement Headley would bring this season (and the next) even if their respective offensive production in the second-half remains about the same.

On the other hand, if one genuinely think the Braves will keep Chris Johnson as their starting third-basemen through the 2016 season, then it's sensible to value his being under contract (and thus cost-controlled) for an additional two seasons when compared to Headley.
 
Tapate50 said:
Add that 100 up in OPS and he still falls short of CJ.
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Of course but CJ isn't going to continue at this pace...he is not a 840 OPS guy. His previous high in AB's coming into this year is 378, his career OPS is 760. He is a nice player and I was a fan of getting him and I even said he would have a better year than Prado but Headley > Johnson.
 
zitothebrave said:
FWIW I'd only trade for Headley if they took Reed or Schafer (or used a 3 way deal) as leveraged value and we got a window to extend him. I don't think he's the missing piece to winning a championship and he's a FA after next season. I mean it would be a great trade to build a 2 year strong team. But I'd rather gun for someone in the rotation who's a true difference maker or a reliever.
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Agreed. I'd be much more interested in getting a guy like Perkins or Sale.
 
We don't have the prospects for Headley so not happening.

CJ isn't better than Headley but trading a haul for 1 1/2 months of Headley is dumb. If you wanna make a move for someone big, get a top notch ace.
 
Dunit24 said:
Yeah we would be dumb to pass on Headley, or not go after him I should say. Some guys have unbelievably good yrs in a contract yr. Others have seasons like Headley where hes probably trying to do too much.

Id trade Medlen, Graham, Bethancourt for Headley in a heartbeat.

Simmons

Heyward

JUpton

Freeman

Headley

McCann

Uggla

Upton

It takes Chris Johnson out of the lineup, but Headley is an All-Star "caliber" 3B and a switch hitter. Id be all over this if I were Wren.
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And what happens when he walks in 2 years for nothing.

Unless you get a window to extend him, nope.
 
Probably need another high leverage arm for the pen.

I think Varvaro/Carpenter will regress a bit in the 2nd half.

Maybe a bench bat too, still not sure why we let go of Francisco but it is what it is.

But we will get Schafer back in 3 weeks.
 
BRule said:
Of course but CJ isn't going to continue at this pace...he is not a 840 OPS guy. His previous high in AB's coming into this year is 378, his career OPS is 760. He is a nice player and I was a fan of getting him and I even said he would have a better year than Prado but Headley > Johnson.
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Most agree Headley > CJ, but we don't have the chips to land Headley.

And unless we got a window to sign him, it would be stupid since he'd walk in a few years anyway.
 
skidlee said:
How is trading Wood+ for Headley a discounted price?

Medlen and a reliever is a discount. Not a SP that is dirt cheap for the next 4-5 years. Plus whatever else is in the deal.
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Whats the likelihood that Wood is ever better than Medlen? Not very good. If you can get a stud hitter on a discount, you have to go for it. This time 6 months ago, it would have took a similar package to what we have up for J-Up in order to get Headley
 
Tapate50 said:
yeah, thats what this lineup needs. A guy having a low BA year. He would fit in nicely. Oh and he hits WORSE outside of Petco.

Its not like CJ's D has kept us from becoming a juggernaut.
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He had a putrid June which tanked his overall numbers. Outside June he's been very good.

And this is basically the first time he's ever hit worse on the rd than at home. Had .900 OPS and .860 OPS away from PetCo the last 2 yrs. I'd say that holds more merit than the 40 odd games he's played on the rd this yr.
 
Carp said:
He had a putrid June which tanked his overall numbers. Outside June he's been very good.

And this is basically the first time he's ever hit worse on the rd than at home. Had .900 OPS and .860 OPS away from PetCo the last 2 yrs. I'd say that holds more merit than the 40 odd games he's played on the rd this yr.
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Wood appears to be a stud prospect and its not at all crazy that he can be better than Medlen.

It's an overpay and why we won't get him so let's move on. Our 3b is fine and still raking.
 
Carp said:
Whats the likelihood that Wood is ever better than Medlen? Not very good. If you can get a stud hitter on a discount, you have to go for it. This time 6 months ago, it would have took a similar package to what we have up for J-Up in order to get Headley
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NO NO NO NO NO. stop giving away good young pitchers for guys that used to be good. on top of that, the current third baseman in atlanta is about their best player.
if you trade anybody figure out how to get a second baseman or a center fielder in return. if you must trade away good young pitching, find a way to have uggla's or bj's contract included with it.
 
Heyward said:
And what happens when he walks in 2 years for nothing.

Unless you get a window to extend him, nope.
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on top of that, this current team doesn't need a third baseman. chris johnson continues to impress and is one of the few guys in the lineup that can be counted on at this point. it makes zero sense to give away so much for what would likely not improve the team at all this season.

but more imporantly, please please please no rick ankiel like moves. there's a reason why teams like the cardinals are alway good. they don't trade away guys that have big upsides that are young for rick ankiel.
 
I just don't get why we have to go get Headley. If CJ wasn't hitting it would be a different story but he is.

We need a TOR starting pitcher before we need a new 3B.
 
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