Braves1976
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If you rather throw out Edgerton and/or Janas for slot money than Grilli and/or JJ we'll just have to disagree.
Braves trade for more slot money from the Dodgers.
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If you rather throw out Edgerton and/or Janas for slot money than Grilli and/or JJ we'll just have to disagree.
Well, Grilli would certainly bring back more worth in prospects than either Edgerton or Janas would. His value is definitely higher, especially for a team trying to compete this year and next year.
chop2chip
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Even still, I would think both of them would have not value than the Jordan Paroubeck's of the world. I would assume we could do better than a borderline top 30 prospect.
chop2chip
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Easily more valuable.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
Maybe so, I could care less as that had nothing to do with my point.
But it does. My point is not that I want to keep Grilli and Johnson and don't care about losing Edgerton or Janas. The latter two would obviously be more impactful to our future. But since Grilli and Johnson can bring back more in actual prospect value in a trade, I would rather trade them for prospects and use Edgerton/Janas/whoever else to get the slot money.
In other words, while Edgerton and Janas' actual play would help us more in the future, Grilli and Johnson can help us more in the future by the guys they will bring back in a trade.
It's all about value. Grilli and Johnson have more value to other teams, therefore we're better off saving them for better deals. They could give us back more than Edgerton and Janas as well. So we either have Edgerton and Janas and slot money...or slot money with better prospects.
Braves1976
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I don't go by simply prospect ranking, I have my own ranking for our prospects. And I am higher on both Edgerton and Janas than probably most around here, it's fine if you disagree but that doesn't change my take on them. Plus I don't accept as fact that Grilli or Johnson would certainly bring back better prospects. Now that is certainly possible and maybe likely if you go simply by prospect ranking. But just because a prospect is ranked higher doesn't mean he'll help us more in the future or that I even like his potential to do so. Plus I don't agree with comparing established player for prospect trades with prospect for prospect deals.
Bottom line: My point was simply that if you rather trade Edgerton or Janas for slot money than Grilli or JJ then we disagree. That isn't to say I would want to only get such back for the latter.
All of this is fine. If you really like Edgerton and Janas, that's obviously completely ok and your call. But I think it's pretty undeniable that Grilli would bring more back in a trade with another team than either one of them. That said, if the Braves' FO feels like you do about Edgerton or Janas, then we likely won't deal them.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I really like Janas more than Edgerton, but it's no secret Edgerton is one of my boys too. Further, I doubt either are traded for simply slot money if traded. I also doubt that Grilli or JJ would only bring back slot money at this point. I also figure how much they bring back will depend on a number of factors (including how they do between now and the deadline along with how desperate teams get for relief help like them). Of course if one or both slump like Harang did with Philly they could go from a good trade chip to one not worth much if anything. Hopefully that doesn't happen. At one point I thought it a given Harang would bring back a really nice return for Philly but now I doubt it.
Braves1976
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Well, I do hope you are right about Grilli/Johnson bringing a very good return in a trade.
Grilli likely will more than Johnson. I don't think we would fleece anybody, but especially with an extra year on a good setup man or decent closer, I think you could get a guy inside an organization's top ten if you play it right.
UNCBlue012
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@DOBrienAJC: #Braves acquring Nos. 73 and 103 international signing-bonus slots from #Rays for RH Garrett Fulenchek
Oh wow, that's definitely the best of the guys we've given up and better than I would have guessed we would go, at least in terms of upside. Last year's second is a pretty steep price.
Still, when you consider what this will allow us to do next year, I'm still fully on board.
UNCBlue012
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same here. It's definitely a pretty strong give for us, but the international market has been great for us thus far. I am so happy at what we've done. Hart has really worked at this process to be successful going forward
KB21
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I think some recent acquisitions as far as pitching in the lower minors goes gave them the ability to do this. Fulenchek was likely going to be caught behind guys like Ricardo Sanchez, Touki Toussiant, and Kolby Allard when he signs.
Agreed. We have wanted the FO to deal some of the pitching surplus for hitting, and this is a way to do that. Give away one of our lesser arms (crazy that we can call Fulenchek that) for the ability to sign Cruz and Pache this year and the boatload of guys we'll probably get next year.
Think about it this way - in a way we've used Martin, Fulenchek, and Paroubeck for the ability to get Cruz, Pache, possibly Maitan, and whoever else we want next year. That's a deal I do all day every day.
chop2chip
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That's not true. We had the slots to sign either Pache or Cruz and still be below the penalty. We are essentially saying we like Pache more than Fulenchek, Martin, and Paroubeck. I'm not entirely sure I agree with that, but then again I don't know a thing about him either.
You're right. But we're so deep in pitching right now that I think it's the right time to try to get some young high-upside hitters as well. Getting Allard, Toussaint, and Soroka makes Fulenchek far more expendable. And Fulenchek is 19, Paroubeck is 20, and neither has made it out of rookie ball. They're high-upside, but they're really no surer a thing than any of these international guys at this point.
chop2chip
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Yeah. I mean it makes sense from a 2016 perspective to not be penalized because the Braves are supposedly the front runners of over half of the top 10 guys, including Maitan. From that perspective it's hard to be overly critical of the process in place. I think I'm experiencing more of a sticker shock disappointment then I am actually disappointed with the strategy. I had no idea that these slots would be this expensive.