Braves trading for Stroman?

UNCBlue012 said:
Stroman would be my top target but why are we believing some random ass dude on twitter? Even if he guessed correctly on a few past trades?
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Respect that point of view, but the way I see it, "experts" like Jim Bowden haven't gotten a deal right since about 2014. This guy nailed a couple in recent months. Speaks to a source, because not a lot of folks were on them. Getting one is a blind squirrel finding an acorn; getting two is possibly good luck. If he gets three, then he is a person to follow.
 
IF there's a trade to be made for Stroman and Giles, here's the kind of package I can envision with the understanding that at least Anderson and Pache and maybe Waters are not in the mix.

Inciarte (had to wait until he was healthy for it to go down)
Foltynewicz (they want big league ready and kid needs a clean start)
Gohara (ditto) or maybe Tristan Beck
Clouse (likewise has just begun rehab from IL, and puts a potential close type in the mix)
Demeritte
Johnstone (as they continue to purge any remnant of the 2017 draft)
 
Wright, Wilson,and Inciarte would be my guess. Ender's value I feel is neutral so maybe a third prospect and Ender basically just to even the salaries a bit. He is still very cheap. Toronto could very well trade him for decent prospects if he has a hot first half in any of the 3 years he is signed for. I am a lot lower on Wright and Wilson than others but where would they even pitch if we got Stroman and Giles. Its just going to get more crowded next year.
 
cajunrevenge said:
Wright, Wilson,and Inciarte would be my guess. Ender's value I feel is neutral so maybe a third prospect and Ender basically just to even the salaries a bit. He is still very cheap. Toronto could very well trade him for decent prospects if he has a hot first half in any of the 3 years he is signed for. I am a lot lower on Wright and Wilson than others but where would they even pitch if we got Stroman and Giles. Its just going to get more crowded next year.
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I've got Stroman worth about 36m in surplus with 50% premium included. One of Wilson or Wright plus a small piece is probably the actual cost that makes sense to spend.

I can't really value Inciarte objectively. I would be thrilled with a straight salary dump for a minor prospect. However, if one believes he will return to 2.5-3 wins with good health then he has a little value. I can't imagine another team would see his trade value that way right now, but the homer in me would like to believe that they would. It will be interesting to see if he's moved what his implied trade value will work out to be.
 
Southcack77 said:
I've got Stroman worth about 36m in surplus with 50% premium included. One of Wilson or Wright plus a small piece is probably the actual cost that makes sense to spend.

I can't really value Inciarte objectively. I would be thrilled with a straight salary dump for a minor prospect. However, if one believes he will return to 2.5-3 wins with good health then he has a little value. I can't imagine another team would see his trade value that way right now, but the homer in me would like to believe that they would. It will be interesting to see if he's moved what his implied trade value will work out to be.
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inciarte definitely has more value than a salary dump.
 
wonder if Sogard could come back in a Stroman deal. i could see Camargo being used in such a deal.
 
Southcack77 said:
I've got Stroman worth about 36m in surplus with 50% premium included. One of Wilson or Wright plus a small piece is probably the actual cost that makes sense to spend.

I can't really value Inciarte objectively. I would be thrilled with a straight salary dump for a minor prospect. However, if one believes he will return to 2.5-3 wins with good health then he has a little value. I can't imagine another team would see his trade value that way right now, but the homer in me would like to believe that they would. It will be interesting to see if he's moved what his implied trade value will work out to be.
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Ender's worth alot more than a straight salary dump.
 
I imagine Gausman may have some interest to Toronto being that he has still has a year of control and has experience in the AL East. They'd be buying low on him in hopes of flipping him next year, or possibly help to anchor next year's rotation if they find themselves competing. For us it makes sense given our depth and the contracts being swapped being mostly a push.

Similarly, I imagine Duval or Ender makes sense in such a trade for the same reasons (aside from AL East experience).

Obviously Gausman/Duval/Ender wouldn't be the centerpiece, but I imagine they would have a good bit of value to Toronto.

For Stroman and Giles, I'd offer the following package:

Choice of Gausman/Duval/Ender
Choice of Touki, Newk, Wright, Muller, or Wilson
Choice of 40/45 FV prospect
 
One of the things I wonder about is if we will be shipping out some major league guys (as opposed to prospects) as part of any trade. Folty, Gausman, Julion, Fried, Duvall, Ender are possibilities. Logic argues that selling teams should focus on getting the best possible prospects and buying teams should be careful about parting with players who could help them in the pennant chase. But there may be payroll considerations at work.
 
nsacpi said:
One of the things I wonder about is if we will be shipping out some major league guys (as opposed to prospects) as part of any trade. Folty, Gausman, Julion, Fried, Duvall, Ender are possibilities. Logic argues that selling teams should focus on getting the best possible prospects and buying teams should be careful about parting with players who could help them in the pennant chase. But there may be payroll considerations at work.
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you don't see Camargo as a possibility? i think rebuilding teams would be more interested in him than those other guys you listed.
 
Super said:
you don't see Camargo as a possibility? i think rebuilding teams would be more interested in him than those other guys you listed.
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I don't think AA would want to give up a valuable bench piece with a recent track record as a decent starter. Depth was one of the biggest weaknesses last year.
 
The Braves beat writers are saying there’s no merit, which means there probably is since they’re all fairly incompetent.
 
DirkPiggler said:
I don't think AA would want to give up a valuable bench piece with a recent track record as a decent starter. Depth was one of the biggest weaknesses last year.
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i'm thinking we'd look acquire more reliable, better depth if he were dealt. right now, he's not even good depth. but a re-building team could see him as a legit piece.
 
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