Braves Will Shop Julio Teheran At Winter Meetings, Per Report

I've always been a Teheran supporter but I'd take both Gohara/Newk long term over him. The other guys still have much to prove.
We aren't talking long term. This year. I'm bullish on Gohara, but like it or not JT is the most known commodity no matter what that means to some.
 
No. But we've broached this subject for a few years and this, "well, let's wait maybe he'll rebound" sentiment isn't new. It is conceivable that not only does he not rebuild value but that he continues to lose it.
And yes...it's a risk just as not selling high was but he's a career 3.5 ish ERA pitcher with a 1.2 WHIP and over 1000 innings in his pocket. If they go out and get an ace...well alright then. No one is sitting around saying don't trade him, but selling low seems counter productive to what the Braves want /need to achieve in the short and long term.
 
No. But we've broached this subject for a few years and this, "well, let's wait maybe he'll rebound" sentiment isn't new. It is conceivable that not only does he not rebuild value but that he continues to lose it.

Teheran has shown himself to be extremely streaky during his career and if he were to start off next year on a hot streak, his value would likely increase. Such a performance streak could be a mirage, but if he is viewed as a possible missing piece for a true contender, they may roll the dice. He'd be a salary dump at this point in the off-season.
 
If Yankees would accept, Julio for Frazier would make sense for both sides.

Even though Frazier hasnt proven all that much to this point.
 
Teheran has shown himself to be extremely streaky during his career and if he were to start off next year on a hot streak, his value would likely increase. Such a performance streak could be a mirage, but if he is viewed as a possible missing piece for a true contender, they may roll the dice. He'd be a salary dump at this point in the off-season.

Or a piece in a larger picture. We don't know yet.
 
He has 2/20 guaranteed. Not a big gamble to wait and see

It's not. But I don't think his homerun numbers are going to improve anytime soon. His stuff is likely going to continue to decline as well. I understand why the Braves kept him. They wanted a quick rebuild and wanted a cheap and good pitcher in Julio to help anchor the staff. Well obviously that time frame didn't happen and now Julio is a different pitcher. AA is reassessing the Braves time frame of contention and if it's not this year or next then Julio needs to be traded to get something out of him.
 
It's not. But I don't think his homerun numbers are going to improve anytime soon. His stuff is likely going to continue to decline as well. I understand why the Braves kept him. They wanted a quick rebuild and wanted a cheap and good pitcher in Julio to help anchor the staff. Well obviously that time frame didn't happen and now Julio is a different pitcher. AA is reassessing the Braves time frame of contention and if it's not this year or next then Julio needs to be traded to get something out of him.

But if he trades Julio and signs Moustakas, we'd be back to the previous situation in which there is an imaginary time frame that will vacillate depending on the current whim. I just want a blueprint that appreciates the reality of the current situation.
 
But if he trades Julio and signs Moustakas, we'd be back to the previous situation in which there is an imaginary time frame that will vacillate depending on the current whim. I just want a blueprint that appreciates the reality of the current situation.

Which is why it's sensible to trade Teheran, if any good enough is out there (again: if teams can recognize as easily as us that he's a solid bounce-back candidate and value him as such); and meanwhile not sensible to sign Moustakas unless the deal is cut-throat bargain level.
 
Which is why it's sensible to trade Teheran, if any good enough is out there (again: if teams can recognize as easily as us that he's a solid bounce-back candidate and value him as such); and meanwhile not sensible to sign Moustakas unless the deal is cut-throat bargain level.

I'm just such a skeptic now. The last five years have had me shaking my head so much I have vertigo. I just wonder what Teheran's market will be.
 
I'm just such a skeptic now. The last five years have had me shaking my head so much I have vertigo. I just wonder what Teheran's market will be.

I'm just trying to give Anthopoulos the benefit of doubt and assume that if he's shopping him, there must be some sort of decent market.
 
I'm just trying to give Anthopoulos the benefit of doubt and assume that if he's shopping him, there must be some sort of decent market.

The market for SPs is pretty ****ty, so there should be decent offers for Teheran. Problem is, the Braves then have to replace him by shopping in the same ****ty SP market.

Selling low on Teheran simply makes no sense right now. Things may be different at the trade deadline though.
 
Gohara, Folty, Newk, Fried, and Sims. AA could realistically roll with that if he had to, to buy some time for Soroka, Allard, and Wright to be ready. Teheran for Frazier makes a ton of sense for both sides really.
 
Gohara, Folty, Newk, Fried, and Sims. AA could realistically roll with that if he had to, to buy some time for Soroka, Allard, and Wright to be ready. Teheran for Frazier makes a ton of sense for both sides really.

I wonder if AA has the same feelings on 'veteran influences' that the previous regime did.

If the Braves had a competent pitching coach I'd be more comfortable with the relative inexperience of that rotation.
 
Gohara, Folty, Newk, Fried, and Sims. AA could realistically roll with that if he had to, to buy some time for Soroka, Allard, and Wright to be ready. Teheran for Frazier makes a ton of sense for both sides really.
You're not gonna want that...2/5ths of that rotation will have you wanting Colon back. OK, maybe not but close enough.
 
But if he trades Julio and signs Moustakas, we'd be back to the previous situation in which there is an imaginary time frame that will vacillate depending on the current whim. I just want a blueprint that appreciates the reality of the current situation.

I agree. I don't see both happening.
 
If they “did” trade Julio ...Julio $10 mil, JJ $5 mil, Matt Adams 4mil. I think AA is looking to get players HE likes and I bet he isn’t big on Julio. AA is either about to shed Kemp or sign someone. He is freeing up the cash for something. I don’t see him trading any of our prospects at this point, but I do see him churning our MLB roster.
 
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