C. Bethancourt to SD for RHP Kelly, and '14 International Signee R. Rodriguez (C)

Russ2dollas said:
CB was not a defensive wiz nor did he hit

My reading of the article is the young catcher is an above avg defender with above avg arm who can hit. Not piazza hit but handle the bat hit. They gave the guy 800k. Top 30 international guy. High baseball iq

Sounds like a great return considering everyone knew we were dealing him and the front office hated him.

I think if u complain you complain about why the front office hated him and why they're were so open about it
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Well let's start by clarifying that he was 30th ranked in his class. He was top 30 by the skin of his teeth.He did not make the top 10 prospects for the Padres according to BA. He didn't make their top 30 according to MLB.com. Let's not act like this guy is some kind of high ceiling guy who's amazing.

Now I'll say i'm not upset with our return. We got rid of Bethancourt who I've not been a fan of for years. He'll be going to SD where he'll be a backup and probably somewhat successful as that. I wonder who they'll trade between Hedges and Norris.
 
I like it. Basically a 6 year re-set on CB with Rodriguez and they got Kelly as a throw in...

Kelly's probably done, but he could be treated basically as a second rule 5 that you don't have to return.
 
zitothebrave said:
Well let's start by clarifying that he was 30th ranked in his class. He was top 30 by the skin of his teeth.He did not make the top 10 prospects for the Padres according to BA. He didn't make their top 30 according to MLB.com. Let's not act like this guy is some kind of high ceiling guy who's amazing.

Now I'll say i'm not upset with our return. We got rid of Bethancourt who I've not been a fan of for years. He'll be going to SD where he'll be a backup and probably somewhat successful as that. I wonder who they'll trade between Hedges and Norris.
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I don't think Bethancourt was ever in our top 10 at that age, either. I remember people talked about his potential but he wasn't ever on our top prospect lists yet.
 
I said it earlier, I like the move. I was never really that high on Christian Bethancourt anyways, but I think it's a good move.
 
Better return than I was expecting. The Braves just wanted to be done with CB so getting back a legitimate prospect is a pleasant surprise.

Catchers tend to develop more slowly than guys at other positions so the hit tool might take a few years to really manifest.
 
Most of these "ratings" won't qualify 17 year old playes unless they have a big year in the DSL or the like. But even we have been reserved about someone like Ventura, who had such amazing SB and assist numbers at age 17. I'm just glad to see between he and Herbert, that catching should be a strength in the system moving forward.
 
zitothebrave said:
Well let's start by clarifying that he was 30th ranked in his class. He was top 30 by the skin of his teeth.He did not make the top 10 prospects for the Padres according to BA. He didn't make their top 30 according to MLB.com. Let's not act like this guy is some kind of high ceiling guy who's amazing.

Now I'll say i'm not upset with our return. We got rid of Bethancourt who I've not been a fan of for years. He'll be going to SD where he'll be a backup and probably somewhat successful as that. I wonder who they'll trade between Hedges and Norris.
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Bethancourt was 18 before he was ranked on any top Braves prospects. Playing A ball... RR still hasn't played above rookie ball and is only 17... So let's not act like they are that far apart at their ages. Anyone remember where CB ranked as an international prospect? He had potential but I don't think he was super high.
 
NinersSBChamps said:
Don't care to research players who more than likely won't amount to anything. It's a trade for prospects for a good prospect who hasn't succeeded in the majors. Wasn't knocking the players involved in the deal. Just saying its a minor trade.
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A couple of this week's moves aren't official yet pending the passing of physicals (Bonifacio, Flowers).
 
CB was just an overhyped prospect in a Frank Wren depleted minor league system. I mean who else was there to hype up as far as position players besides Peraza and Terdo, lol and Albies in the low low minors.

So being he was young, has some good tools, all of a sudden a Henry Blanco type turns into Yadier Molina. Combine that with a lack maturity and work ethic, and he will be lucky to have a career as a backup ala Blanco. If he changes, he just might amount to something a little better, but never a star.
 
With Casey Kelly and Gordon Beckham, the Braves now have two first-round picks from the 2008 June draft. What's notable about that is that 2008 was one of the all-time stinkbomb picks for Atlanta, Brett DeVall, who retired at the age of 20 rather than undergo TJ surgery. Notice that DeVall tried a comeback in the Frontier League in 2015, however.
Both Kelly and Beckham were drafted ahead of DeVall, of course.
 
Funny. People have poo pooed Bethancourt and for good reason. However he wasn't just crap and he has talent no matter what yall think. The adage holds true though, "hard work beats talent when talent doesn't work hard."

CB simply didn't grasp the nuisances of catching. He had an arm. At lower levels that covered up his deficiencies. I've seen him from rookie ball to the majors. He never had a kick in the arse enough to make him understand what he needed to do to be successful. In any case, the return was more than I expected.
 
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