Chris Johnson Hopes For Trade From Braves

Would you trade CJ for Omar Infante? They have very similar contracts.

Yes. Omar gives you more on defense and the basepaths.

It is interesting to note that CJ's BABIP has been a little above .340 the past two seasons. But his strikeout rate is so high he needs an astronomical BABIP to be of value. Omar has been a little unlucky in the BABIP department the past two seasons. His contract isn't good either. But I'd rather have him than CJ.
 
I would rather. If he's been called to the office and told that they were shopping him, the thing to do to so call be professional is to let the FO do their jobs. He certainly hasn't done his.

Management wants him gone. Fans want him gone. He wants to go. Looks to me like everybody's on the same page!
 
Swisher for CJ might have some traction. CJ has 17.5M owed in 2016-2017 including the 1 mil payout on the 2018 option. Swish is owed 15M in 2016 and has a vesting option (14M) for 2017. Vests at 550 PA in 2016.

I would do this trade. Basically it is a way to get the money owed off the books after 2016. And Swish will at least get some walks. He began his rehab stint yesterday. I'd stick him in left and see what he has left. The question is his knee. If he doesn't have anything left, we can still pursue a left fielder in the off-season as has been the plan all along.
 
Swisher for CJ might have some traction. CJ has 17.5M owed in 2016-2017 including the 1 mil payout on the 2018 option. Swish is owed 15M in 2016 and has a vesting option (14M) for 2017. Vests at 550 PA in 2016.

I would do this trade. Basically it is a way to get the money owed off the books after 2016. And Swish will at least get some walks. He began his rehab stint yesterday. I'd stick him in left and see what he has left. The question is his knee. If he doesn't have anything left, we can still pursue a left fielder in the off-season as has been the plan all along.

That would be a no brainer for us. Literally anyone that isn't getting paid after 16 is a no brainer
 
That would be a no brainer for us. Literally anyone that isn't getting paid after 16 is a no brainer

We also have to pay more salary the rest of this year in that trade, but that should not be an issue if we move some of our vets at the trade deadline.
 
Swisher for CJ might have some traction. CJ has 17.5M owed in 2016-2017 including the 1 mil payout on the 2018 option. Swish is owed 15M in 2016 and has a vesting option (14M) for 2017. Vests at 550 PA in 2016.

I would do this trade. Basically it is a way to get the money owed off the books after 2016. And Swish will at least get some walks. He began his rehab stint yesterday. I'd stick him in left and see what he has left. The question is his knee. If he doesn't have anything left, we can still pursue a left fielder in the off-season as has been the plan all along.

So, that's going from a water cooler kicker to a buffoon.
 
So for those who defended CJ 2 years ago when most of us thought his BABIP/BA was unsustainable and 2 years later we see that to be the case with major regression, do you still like CJ?
 
So for those who defended CJ 2 years ago when most of us thought his BABIP/BA was unsustainable and 2 years later we see that to be the case with major regression, do you still like CJ?

I was one of those who really liked him. I still think with the right playing time that he would be valuable, but I also think it needs to be with a different team at this point.
 
So for those who defended CJ 2 years ago when most of us thought his BABIP/BA was unsustainable and 2 years later we see that to be the case with major regression, do you still like CJ?

I liked him, too. I think if they'd been just a tad more patient and seen how this year went with Seitzer and regular at bats he would be at .300 with gap power and a little better plate discipline. He's a guy who clearly needs regular at bats to stay tuned up. That's a long swing.

He got all screwed up last year, he even told you why - he was trying to add power, became vulnerable to soft stuff away, couldn't lay off anything. Seitzer's "back through the middle" gap-to-gap approach is exactly what Chris needed. While the year before was unsustainable, it also wasn't fluky - the guy was ripping line drives all over the yard.

And as I've said, I think he's ok at third. Sure handed, makes the plays he should. And while I'll concede he's not Arenado over there, without getting into the whole advanced stat thing, I don't think he gave back half his offensive value in 2013 with defense.

I've always kind of felt he was a winning ballplayer - on a capped team, you can't pay everybody, you need a couple guys who make modest money and contribute. I suspect when he gets dealt, and he needs to now, he'll go somewhere and give them decent production for middle money for a couple years - which was probably what Wren had in mind when he signed him.

Somebody will be pleasantly surprised when they get him. While readily admitting he has sucked hairy ass the last year and a half, I think he's a nice piece for somebody who needs a complementary player.
 
The BABIP regression would be palatable if the strikeout rate had held at about 20% rather than spiking up to 26% last year and 29% last year. His ISO has also cratered. So there have been issues besides BABIP regression that were not really part of the great Lord BABIP debate.
 
The BABIP regression would be palatable if the strikeout rate had held at about 20% rather than spiking up to 26% last year and 29% last year. His ISO has also cratered. So there have been issues besides BABIP regression that were not really part of the great Lord BABIP debate.

Perhaps we're about to get a concrete two-month answer. Who's left to play third? Adonis Garcia, right? Who will go back when Freddie is activated?

Hey, how about Terdoslavich? You guys think CJ is a stiff at 3B, you ever seen The Deuce put a glove on and go stand on the field? Like, anywhere?
 
The BABIP regression would be palatable if the strikeout rate had held at about 20% rather than spiking up to 26% last year and 29% last year. His ISO has also cratered. So there have been issues besides BABIP regression that were not really part of the great Lord BABIP debate.

Johnson's story is pretty much the same as Francoeur's.
 
We left last night's game pretty much right after the final out. Walked across the street to the hotel and went up to the room for no more than five minutes. By the time we got back down to the bar Johnson was already finishing up his dinner. Guess he shagged ass as soon as Fredi pulled him.
 
Johnson's story is pretty much the same as Francoeur's.

Could be that guys with low walk rates inherently have more difficulties making adjustments to the adjustments pitchers make. Maybe pitchers expand the strike zone and they don't adjust by laying off certain pitches. Or it could just be that what CJ and Francoeur have in common is a certain stuborness or lack of baseball IQ.
 
Could be that guys with low walk rates inherently have more difficulties making adjustments to the adjustments pitchers make. Maybe pitchers expand the strike zone and they don't adjust by laying off certain pitches. Or it could just be that what CJ and Francoeur have in common is a certain stuborness or lack of baseball IQ.

I can't say for sure with Johnson, but I always got the impression with Francoeur is he was one of those "best guy on the team" players in high school (in a couple of sports) and because of that, he never truly applied himself. He was always successful without really learning the game until it was too late. It's really difficult to change one's approach at the big league level because the minute you try to unlearn the things you've been doing all of your life, it means you're thinking and in the big leagues, "when you're thinking, you're sinking, and then stinking." Francoeur's biggest problem is that every now and then he'd hit a pitch that was a half foot outside and six inches off the ground out of the park, which convinced him that he should always swing at that pitch.
 
I can't say for sure with Johnson, but I always got the impression with Francoeur is he was one of those "best guy on the team" players in high school (in a couple of sports) and because of that, he never truly applied himself. He was always successful without really learning the game until it was too late. It's really difficult to change one's approach at the big league level because the minute you try to unlearn the things you've been doing all of your life, it means you're thinking and in the big leagues, "when you're thinking, you're sinking, and then stinking." Francoeur's biggest problem is that every now and then he'd hit a pitch that was a half foot outside and six inches off the ground out of the park, which convinced him that he should always swing at that pitch.

I think what instruction he got in the Braves system tended to reinforce his predilection to hack (I remember conversations to that effect on the old board, about how the ml instructors didn't want to compromise his aggressiveness), and it became self-sustaining, because the minor-league pitchers couldn't get him out consistently.

Who the hell knows about Chris. He's a coach's son, so one wouldn't think it was baseball IQ, per se. He's just a turrible player when he's swinging at everything, be he often looks like he has the ingredients to be something else.
 
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