Church shooting - Sutherland Springs, Texas

Why did this guy pick this church if he is not from the area. This guy drove 35miles to kill strangers in a church?

What is going on here?
 
goldfly said:
what about that statement is wrong?

are those red states not paying a price by voting for people who don't believe in science and thus not helping them avoid disasters etc?
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You're a ****ing idiot. I suppose if they voted for HRC they would have been spared the hurricane
 
thethe said:
I can agree that guns are magnifying the total death count. I'm not sure how that can be disputed. We can regulate and regulate guns till the cows come home but that still is not addressing the real underlying issue as to why people are doing these things (non-Islamic terrorism).
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Yes: ultimately we need to isolate and redress the underlying issues. Yes: that's much more complicated than simply "because guns". Yes: merely regulating guns is insufficient as a remedy.

But we could still talk about some common-sense steps to start mitigating rather than "magnifying the total death count".
 
that's a hell of a leap there to try to make a bad point

but that's your go to move pal
 
jpx7 said:
Yes: ultimately we need to isolate and redress the underlying issues. Yes: that's much more complicated than simply "because guns". Yes: merely regulating guns is insufficient as a remedy.

But we could still talk about some common-sense steps to start mitigating rather than "magnifying the total death count".
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I'm fine with discussing that. At the same time though, the gun regulating group needs to understand that there are millions of guns in circulation right now in the US and regulating is not going to stop gun violence. Nothing short of confiscation will do that. So the question is then - Are you willing to go to that length?
 
There are more heroine deaths than gun homicides in this country.

Which is really weird, because heroine is illegal in all states.

A simple law can fix this gun issue, folks... just like it fixed heroine deaths.
 
thethe said:
Why did this guy pick this church if he is not from the area. This guy drove 35miles to kill strangers in a church?

What is going on here?
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Dylann Roof traveled even further to murder people in a church, including a state senator I knew who had devoted his career to helping people, with the hope of starting a race war.
 
i never once said those words aren't mine

i was commenting on your words and your point

thus why i said it was a leap to try to make a bad point
 
jpx7 said:
Yes: ultimately we need to isolate and redress the underlying issues. Yes: that's much more complicated than simply "because guns". Yes: merely regulating guns is insufficient as a remedy.

But we could still talk about some common-sense steps to start mitigating rather than "magnifying the total death count".
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That's be a fine discussion to have if everyone wasn't so quick to the trigger of "WE NEED GUN LAWS TO SOLVE THIS"
 
thethe said:
The motive is the most important thing in any of these cases.

How can you argue that an agent of ISIS killing people is the same as a white guy with no affiliations to an outside group? If he is linked to some right wing extremist groups then we need to seriously consider that threat against the livlihood of every American citizen.
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But the amount of people dying because of crazy white guys with no known affiliation to an extremist group are staggeringly higher than people dying due to ISIS in America. As JPX said, obviously we care about and want to eradicate ISIS. The problem I see with the approach being taken is that we're taking random Muslims that almost certainly weren't radicalized when they came here and instead of reflecting on why they might now be radicalized, are advocating for things like travel bans that will be ineffective. Meanwhile, we spend a week after each of these insane shootings bitching at each other about gun control and chalking it up to a crazy white guy with a gun. It seems insane to me that we don't worry more about the motive of a shooter if it isn't religion.
 
goldfly said:
i never once said those words aren't mine

i was commenting on your words and your point

thus why i said it was a leap to try to make a bad point
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goldy - "hurricane victims paying the price for voting in Trump"

sturg: "yeah, becaus ehad they been smart and not voted for Trump, they wouldn't have had to pay the price of the hurricane"

goldy: "that's a quite a leap there, pal"
 
bravesnumberone said:
Dylann Roof traveled even further to murder people in a church, including a state senator I knew who had devoted his career to helping people, with the hope of starting a race war.
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That is a motive and is important to the case. What Dylan Roof did is 100% terrorism and needs to be dealt with as such.

I don't think that is the same motive here though.
 
sturg33 said:
There are more heroine deaths than gun homicides in this country.

Which is really weird, because heroine is illegal in all states.

A simple law can fix this gun issue, folks... just like it fixed heroine deaths.
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These false equivalencies kill me. People using heroin aren't generally trying to hurt other people. Maybe instead of crimalizing drug use and actually trying to help people, we could save at least a few more lives.
 
mqt said:
But the amount of people dying because of crazy white guys with no known affiliation to an extremist group are staggeringly higher than people dying due to ISIS in America. As JPX said, obviously we care about and want to eradicate ISIS. The problem I see with the approach being taken is that we're taking random Muslims that almost certainly weren't radicalized when they came here and instead of reflecting on why they might now be radicalized, are advocating for things like travel bans that will be ineffective. Meanwhile, we spend a week after each of these insane shootings bitching at each other about gun control and chalking it up to a crazy white guy with a gun. It seems insane to me that we don't worry more about the motive of a shooter if it isn't religion.
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For starters - Islamic terrorism is going to increase in America. But, this is not the place to discuss that.

If the motive is tied to something politicial then it deserves that type of attention. If it is a random person with no political affiliation or reason for radicalization then that is a whole different discussion.
 
bravesnumberone said:
These false equivalencies kill me. People using heroin aren't generally trying to hurt other people. Maybe instead of crimalizing drug use and actually trying to help people, we could save at least a few more lives.
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The point is quite simple that the answer to these issues is the mental illness and not the object being used. Your solution to these murders is to pass gun laws.. laws don't change the morality of people
 
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