Dansby Swanson Already Proving He Belongs

clvclv said:
And that number will no doubt break the franchise and they'll have to fold.

Wait a second, does Kevin Maitan play SS? Or anyone else they might draft in the next 6 years?

Didn't someone mention something about moronic posts earlier???
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Your argument is really that it won't matter much rather than it was a good idea.

I tend to agree that it probably won't matter much, but I don't think that makes it a good idea.
 
10 for 17 against the Mutts. Sounds kinda like Turner against us.

He must not have been ready either. The Gnats screwed up too.
 
Southcack77 said:
Your argument is really that it won't matter much rather than it was a good idea.

I tend to agree that it probably won't matter much, but I don't think that makes it a good idea.
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Maybe, maybe not. Again, none of us will know for several years.

None of us other than the two "non-morons" who speak in absolutes who know no more than absolutely anyone here, that is.
 
clvclv said:
Maybe, maybe not. Again, none of us will know for several years.

None of us other than the two "non-morons" who speak in absolutes who know no more than absolutely anyone here, that is.
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Actually, there are more than two "non-morons."

We have an association. Invitation letters went out some time ago. If you don't have yours yet, well......

Hey! I hear Christmas decorations are already out at Walmart!
 
Horsehide Harry said:
Exactly.

I made one comment saying that the Braves were shielding Swanson from the best pitchers to keep him from being a .600 OPS guy and these guys grabbed that and started swinging it like a club. The conveniently omit that I said it makes no difference what he does this year in a SSS. If he hits .900 OPS this season (still YTBD) or if he hits .600 OPS (also YTBD) it means nothing to this season and little to next season.

Jeff Francouer was rushed (but at least the Braves were in a pennant race). He came up and had an .884 OPS over 274 AB. He never got close to that again outside of a 1/2 season with the Mets in 2009 and handful of AB with Texas after being traded in 2010. Jeff was anointed savior and it turned out he wasn't even a disciple.

To date, Swanson is hitting a respectable .780 OPS with fairly shaky defense. And while he HAS seen a couple of pretty good pitchers lately, he has mostly been on the bench and brought along slowly when the best pitchers have been on the rubber against the Braves. He may get better (.850 OPS, good defense) or worse between now and the end of the season. But it won't matter either way.
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Ive never once advocated a Sale/Archer trade... But thanks for both replying to me about those guys. Without those guys we definitely can still compete in 2018 at the latest. No contest. Ensheff... Don't know what happened to you but as someone else pointed out. You are worse than Niners now... And may have a narcissist disorder/mental problem... Go check it out. I don't want you to suffer bro.
 
Enscheff said:
I think that Swanson will do what 95% of all MLB FAs do: go where the most money is offered. Are we really going to rehash the tired and worn out "home town discount" argument? How many home town discounts have the Braves gotten since the one time Andruw signed behind his agent's back? Mac left. Glavine left. Maddux left. Smoltz left. Heyward would have left when the Braves didn't offer him $185M. And on and on.

Even if the Braves somehow sign him to a contract that includes his age 29 season, they will almost certainly be paying more for that season than they will have paid if it was his last arb year.

So the best case scenario is the right to pay Swanson ~2x the amount for his age 29 season than they would have by manipulating his service clock? How exactly is that a point in favor of calling him up early? You are defending a decision where the absolute best case scenario costs the Braves an additional $10M+ for Swanson's age 29 season?
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Glavine left? In 1997 he signed an extension with the Braves that made him the highest paid pitcher in baseball. And then Maddux signed an extension with the Braves to become the highest paid player in the majors. Oh wow! Smoltz also signed an extension in his prime!! I guess you do say moronic things after all! Heyward was never worth it and never proved himself. The only times when Maddux/Glavine/Smoltz didn't sign extensions, were well after their prime years and when they were not near as effective. What a terrible reply.

Did you really mention Smoltz when he didn't sign with someone else until he was 42???
 
Enscheff said:
Mac and almost all young impact players typically sign away FA years so they can still hit the market at age 30, so Swanson might extend through his age 29 season (1 FA year).

And what will be the cost for that age 29 season? Likely 2x the cost it would have been if he were controlled through arbitration.
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It's not your money, so what does it matter??? If Swanson is the real deal, the Braves will in all likelihood sign him to an extension well before his age 29 season. We should have an increasing payroll in the next 5 years to accommodate for this as well.
 
Carp said:
It's not your money, so what does it matter??? If Swanson is the real deal, the Braves will in all likelihood sign him to an extension well before his age 29 season. We should have an increasing payroll in the next 5 years to accommodate for this as well.
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But, but, but...that would be moronic. That's just stupid. The sample size before his age 29 season would be too small to justify doing that. If he hasn't put up HOF numbers by his third season, he should be traded or allowed to walk because even if he's good he's going to get 2-3 times more than the Braves can afford from every other team in baseball and the Braves don't have the finances to pay his arbitration salary - Kemp, Markakis, Freeman, and Teheran's contracts are already keeping the team from getting a real impact player. What kind of idiot would think they're making a relevant point by saying that? You must be a blind follower if you think there's a chance in *ell that payroll is ever going up. These fools ought to just close up shop and see if Wal Mart's hiring - isn't it obvious that I know better than they do???

Did I leave anything out "non-morons"???
 
I'll say it again.

It's one thing to question decisions made by the FO. Everyone does that.

It's another thing to whine endlessly, or go on tirades about how dumb the decision was and talk as if you, the message board poster, understands the situation better. That's when people begin to sound a little dumb.
 
sturg33 said:
I think now that we see the Braves don't open Suntrust til April 14th, it would have been a perfect time to call him up
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I think that assumes the CBA stays as it is. Pretty good chance that rule is changed from talk around the league.
 
So Dansby can only have 30 more AB's before he loses rookie eligibility. I see a couple of days off in his future.
 
clvclv said:
And that number will no doubt break the franchise and they'll have to fold.

Wait a second, does Kevin Maitan play SS? Or anyone else they might draft in the next 6 years?

Didn't someone mention something about moronic posts earlier???
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Just so I'm clear....

You think Maitain is going to be a MLB SS, and you have the nerve to call someone a moron? Incredible haha!

And for the last time, since if you haven't gotten it by now you never will, it's about maximizing Swanson's value. Swanson controlled through his age 29 season via arb is a more valuable asset than if he were controlled through his age 28 season via arb. It's quite simple, even a realtor should be able to understand it. The only reason you are arguing about it is because I'm the one saying it.
 
Enscheff said:
Just so I'm clear....

You think Maitain is going to be a MLB SS, and you have the nerve to call someone a moron? Incredible haha!

And for the last time, since if you haven't gotten it by now you never will, it's about maximizing Swanson's value. Swanson controlled through his age 29 season via arb is a more valuable asset than if he were controlled through his age 28 season via arb. It's quite simple, even a realtor should be able to understand it. The only reason you are arguing about it is because I'm the one saying it.
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Maitan is likely to move off SS, but that's far from settled. It's just a projection based on his body type because everything I've heard is that he definitely can play it now.

So I don't know why suggesting Maitan could potentially play SS in the majors, especially early in his career, would be moronic.
 
smootness said:
Maitan is likely to move off SS, but that's far from settled. It's just a projection based on his body type because everything I've heard is that he definitely can play it now.

So I don't know why suggesting Maitan could potentially play SS in the majors, especially early in his career, would be moronic.
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Let me make sure I clear, you are ok with questioning someone else calling someone else moronic just because you might be missing some nuts. Is that right. BTW, I make more money than everyone else and I have never been wrong because debating was my Harvard vocation. Is that what you are saying mentally challenged person?
 
bravesfanMatt said:
Let me make sure I clear, you are ok with questioning someone else calling someone else moronic just because you might be missing some nuts. Is that right. BTW, I make more money than everyone else and I have never been wrong because debating was my Harvard vocation. Is that what you are saying mentally challenged person?
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I applaud your attempt at being funny, but you need to work on your delivery a bit. Clean up the 4th grade grammar and get back to me.

It might actually be funny if I could read it!
 
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