BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
I don't get why anyone loves her as a candidate/politician. Baffling.
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I don't get why anyone loves her as a candidate/politician. Baffling.
I agree with you that the Brady Bill (as with most bills) was extremely complicated. That said, you gotta know what your opponent is strapped with, and to not see a better response was really disappointing to me. I know Sanders had a good reason, he doesn't seem like the kind of guy who would take such an important decision so lightly. So tell us about it. The 'it was complicated' response is one of those sound-bites that the Clinton campaign will use ad infinitum.
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It's a scandal to me (and maybe that's a definition you need to acquaint yourself with), and further, turnabout for the blood on her hands involving her gross negligence in Benghazi.
And if it was just a 'PR scheme' (and I could honestly care less what it's labeled) it's certainly worked. People know who Bernie Sanders is because of the e-mail fiasco. She's spent 6 months and countless dollars trying to crawl out of a hole. Seems like Gowdy deserves a pat on the back for a job well done. That said, I don't think we've heard the last from him or that the e-mail chapter is fully closed.
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It's a scandal to me (and maybe that's a definition you need to acquaint yourself with), and further, turnabout for the blood on her hands involving her gross negligence in Benghazi.
And if it was just a 'PR scheme' (and I could honestly care less what it's labeled) it's certainly worked. People know who Bernie Sanders is because of the e-mail fiasco. She's spent 6 months and countless dollars trying to crawl out of a hole. Seems like Gowdy deserves a pat on the back for a job well done. That said, I don't think we've heard the last from him or that the e-mail chapter is fully closed.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
That's why you get elected to Congress, you don't to pay for it anymore.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
.It's called revolution. It's not exactly unfathomable and it's not always drastic. The Occupy movement put the disparity of wealth in this country on the mind of virtually every citizen. I can't help but think we're working in a positive direction in terms of reform (or, at least, awareness) in that area -- obviously we put that progress in danger if we elect a shill like Clinton or Bush. I don't buy the one way track to hell sentiment. You can't produce another contemporary model which would even remotely support it. Seems kind of like that dude who predicted the apocalypse two years ago and has kept modifying the date ever since.
I would LOVE to think you were right on this but who are we saying might be working on this? In spite of what some people on this very board think regarding nobody is really busy trying to make things worse for the (formerly) middle class, or are busy trying to make the top 10% richer, it's just happening, it's just the system, nothing can be done!!!
The only people with the power, other than the American voter (and your second paragraph covers them very accurately) to make any positive changes are the ones actively effing stuff up now, they have to reason to want to fix it. It'd be like the oil companies voluntarily working on a "free to the public" clean and renewable energy source.
The masses are asses, though. One should never discount the sheer and unforgivable ignorance of an electorate (or individual) who would support a candidate like HRC.
I'm just officially giving notice to you here and now, I'm definitely plagiarizing the hell out of this paragraph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
57Brave
Well-known member
Randomly scanning the internet I ventured into RedState and found where y'all are getting the notion of gun confiscation.
They did qualify their ramble by saying
" Never mind that it would be unconstitutional under current understanding of the Second Amendment. "
But this is the kicker
" If she wins, she’d simply appoint people to the Supreme Court who disagree with the Heller decision and are prepared to throw it out. That decision solidified the second amendment as an individual right."
Forgetting that those she appoints do have to go through confirmation hearings
but hey, that doesn't make for as colorful reading.
Does it ?
http://www.redstate.com/2015/10/16/hillary-clinton-comes-out-in-favor-of-mandatory-gun-confiscation/
Why not just say she'd suspend the Constitution, declare martial law herself Queen and Grand Poo-Bah for Life ...
I'd be embarrassed to take RedState as serious
They did qualify their ramble by saying
" Never mind that it would be unconstitutional under current understanding of the Second Amendment. "
But this is the kicker
" If she wins, she’d simply appoint people to the Supreme Court who disagree with the Heller decision and are prepared to throw it out. That decision solidified the second amendment as an individual right."
Forgetting that those she appoints do have to go through confirmation hearings
but hey, that doesn't make for as colorful reading.
Does it ?
http://www.redstate.com/2015/10/16/hillary-clinton-comes-out-in-favor-of-mandatory-gun-confiscation/
Why not just say she'd suspend the Constitution, declare martial law herself Queen and Grand Poo-Bah for Life ...
I'd be embarrassed to take RedState as serious
sturg33
I
i don't think it's unreasonable for someone to not have faith that supreme court is capable of upholding the constitution... both ACA and Gay marriage were preposterous decisions that violate the 10th amendment
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Actually the 10th Amendment and Gay Marriage go right out when it comes down to the 16th Amendment. If you're gonna collect income tax and part of income tax code is marriage, then Gay marriage 100% is covered by the constitution. I'd largely agree about ACA but Robert's opinion on it being a tax was the difference maker.
Personally I find citizens united to be a much bigger abortion of justice, as I don't consider giving money to politicians speech, nor do I consider corporations or unions to be people.
sturg33
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Wasn't the court's decision on gay marriage based on the 14th amendment?
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Well 14th is another reason why as well. You do have issues with one state allowing someone and crossing over to another state, getting in a car accident and his or her spouse won't be recognized and afforded the same rights as other states would.
Runnin
Well-known member
I don't think it's that baffling. She always had great name recognition, arriving on her husband's coattails as she did, even though she was on a political course herself. And without a long history of past failures/gaffes/scandals that she likely would've incurred had she risen up through the ranks on her own. And even though plenty of dirt has been scraped up from the dark corners by Rep enemies, the Clintons are still standing, at least for now. You can't say she hasn't been vetted and you can't accuse her of being just a flash in the pan, unlike a few other female politicians I could name.
And now she has a real chance to be the first woman president. Of course people love her. The question is: why don't you like her? Methinks if she had an (R) by her name you'd be fawning over her like the 2nd Coming. We have all seen you brush away flaws by the bushel load from candidates on your side.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Those aren't reasons to "love" her. Love the concept of getting a female president isn't the same thing as loving her. Tipping the hat at her savvy, balls, cunning, staying power, etc., isn't "loving."
For starters, she's an irritating speaker. She's adept at lying. She's an enabler of Bill's horn-dogging. She's foulmouthed. She's flip-flops. She's a crony capitalist and will be a tool of Wall Street. She's a hawk that got us into Libya, as if. She's pro-abortion. She's got a track record of horrific treatment of subordinates....
Now, since you've all seen me "brush away flaws by the bushel load from candidates on" my side - that I assume you think I support, please give me examples.
For starters, she's an irritating speaker. She's adept at lying. She's an enabler of Bill's horn-dogging. She's foulmouthed. She's flip-flops. She's a crony capitalist and will be a tool of Wall Street. She's a hawk that got us into Libya, as if. She's pro-abortion. She's got a track record of horrific treatment of subordinates....
Now, since you've all seen me "brush away flaws by the bushel load from candidates on" my side - that I assume you think I support, please give me examples.
Runnin
Well-known member
I don't know what you mean by "love" and why that's important. She's running for President; Americans love a good horserace; people just want to be on the winning side.
She's now a politician. That should cover pretty much all your criticisms. "Foulmouthed"? Hell, I hope so.
She actually resembles a Republican male politician. She's quite conservative (lower case "c") in her manner and action. She's very establishment, pro-business and pro-strong military. She could turn herself into a moderate Republican with very little policy change, abortion notwithstanding.
You've sung the praises of everyone from Sarah Palin on down at one time or another. I stand by the assertion that if Hillary were a Republican, you would LOVE her, warts and all.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
I'm mean, "really, really like and get all excited by." I know that there are those so moved - maybe even you. She's got what, a 40% favorability rating? I just don't feel it. She's does for me what Ann Coulter does. Irritates the fool out of me. Sorry.
Cover my criticisms? Okay. Doesn't make them go away for me. For you maybe - that's fine. If you want to ra-ra for her, knock yourself out.
"Sung the praises of everyone from Sarah Palin on down"... Yeah, whatever.
Stand by it as you like. And I'll make and stand by the assertion that you like Miley Cyrus "music." Both about as equally likely.
Cover my criticisms? Okay. Doesn't make them go away for me. For you maybe - that's fine. If you want to ra-ra for her, knock yourself out.
"Sung the praises of everyone from Sarah Palin on down"... Yeah, whatever.
Stand by it as you like. And I'll make and stand by the assertion that you like Miley Cyrus "music." Both about as equally likely.
Runnin
Well-known member
Miley Cyrus makes music??? That's news to me.
Whether you like Hillary or not, she's clearly the most qualified, experienced and formidable candidate in the field. I don't think it's even debatable. But I personally don't like her, never have. I saw her deliver a commencement speech back in the early 80's and wasn't moved at all, though I was clearly in the minority and was smart enough to keep my mouth shut at the time.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
If lying is a quality, I think our nation is trending in the wrong way. Obama now Hilary. Obama mentor was a terrorist who attacked Americans, his speeches of change, passing a Bill that was passed and not looked at, granted some things are good, well only one thing, other is not and has caused rates to go up which he lied about. If you want to put those qualities on CLinton and want a slimy American in charge go ahead, that is your vote. I won't vote for liars, con-artists, people that work with terrorists and what not. Bill lied, but I loved him as a president, it was sex. A lot of American lie to get the coochie, not a bad thing and considering his wife I don't necessarily blame him. I would never cheat and as a pro basketball player I had groupies but I had friends on my team that did everything in their power to get them to leave me alone. Just to make you laugh, I got a jock strap, painted it with crabs and told the players to give it to groupies and still some of them wanted me....that is GROSS.
But her against the field, she SOUNDED the most qualified. I thought O'Malley was until I did a fact check on him, snakeoil salesmen came up. Webb, brevity and all, is too stiff, but I don't think he would be bad, but I notice when watching again, he and others, along with Christopher Lloyd fumbled a lot on their speeches and Clinton never flinched.
She schooled them.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
I don't watch SNL but thank you Runnin for this. Awesome!!
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
You nailed it Runnin. This was spot on. I got ragged on by telling each member on how they acted and why Clinton schooled them.
They did a remarkable job echoing it.
They did a remarkable job echoing it.
