Democratic National Convention

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Dems are now party of national security + GOP is the party of white voters w/o a college education. -@Eric_Alterman
 
CrimsonCowboy said:
As much as I can't stand Obama, he has a true gift. He can grab the attention of everyone in the room when he talks. He does it about as well as any politician I've ever seen. Hillary does not have that gift. She to me just doesn't give speeches well.
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Agreed. She is not a gifted public speaker.

But I do believe she is committed to change for the better. We can all argue about what "better" means (and I respect those who disagree with her vision), but she has been a fighter for causes and she's continued that fight when lesser souls would have folded their tent. I think anyone who contends otherwise has simply imbibed the kool-aid served up by the ditto-heads over the past three decades.
 
50PoundHead said:
Agreed. She is not a gifted public speaker.
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She did a great job last night and she's only going to get better and better as she comes into her own as the undisputed Leader of the Free World.

She did say something that made me uncomfortable. It was similar to Martin Luther King,Jr.'s line, "I may not get there (the Promised Land) with you, but we as a people ..." Of course he was assassinated soone after.
 
Runnin said:
She did a great job last night and she's only going to get better and better as she comes into her own as the undisputed Leader of the Free World.

She did say something that made me uncomfortable. It was similar to Martin Luther King,Jr.'s line, "I may not get there (the Promised Land) with you, but we as a people ..." Of course he was assassinated soone after.
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Dude, you're a good guy, but please don't compare either of the 2 turkeys we're stuck with to MLK. Just sayin'
 
Runnin said:
She did a great job last night and she's only going to get better and better as she comes into her own as the undisputed Leader of the Free World.

She did say something that made me uncomfortable. It was similar to Martin Luther King,Jr.'s line, "I may not get there (the Promised Land) with you, but we as a people ..." Of course he was assassinated soone after.
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I thought it was a great speech although I do understand those who find her delivery wanting. The only thing that bothered me a bit was the long checklist she had to go through to mollify all the tribes in the Democratic base. It seems in this day and age, everyone has to be explicitly mentioned to firm up their support. The bottom line is she wants government to work and work efficiently and equitably. I understand there are those who don't think government can never work (properly or otherwise), but they aren't voting for her anyway. I think she made a set of very strong statements that should help sway undecided voters her way.
 
50PoundHead said:
I thought it was a great speech although I do understand those who find her delivery wanting. The only thing that bothered me a bit was the long checklist she had to go through to mollify all the tribes in the Democratic base. It seems in this day and age, everyone has to be explicitly mentioned to firm up their support. The bottom line is she wants government to work and work efficiently and equitably. I understand there are those who don't think government can never work (properly or otherwise), but they aren't voting for her anyway. I think she made a set of very strong statements that should help sway undecided voters her way.
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Hey Fitty, are you a history buff by chance?
 
Oklahomahawk said:
Dude, you're a good guy, but please don't compare either of the 2 turkeys we're stuck with to MLK. Just sayin'
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I didn't. But she did say a similar phrase which turned out to be ominous for him. She said "we may not live to see the glory" from the musical Hamilton. That turned out bad for MLK.
 
Runnin said:
I didn't. But she did say a similar phrase which turned out to be ominous for him. She said "we may not live to see the glory" from the musical Hamilton. That turned out bad for MLK.
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So have you seen that musical? In OK as you might imagine doesn't really lend itself to taking in many Broadway shows. I have to admit though I'm a bit surprised they did one over Hamilton, not that he wasn't worthy, but it just doesn't seem to me to be all that great of a fit, you know?
 
Oklahomahawk said:
So have you seen that musical? In OK as you might imagine doesn't really lend itself to taking in many Broadway shows. I have to admit though I'm a bit surprised they did one over Hamilton, not that he wasn't worthy, but it just doesn't seem to me to be all that great of a fit, you know?
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I have not, though I have a file of it to watch someday. Not big on musicals, even though I'm really into music. I enjoyed that version of "What the World Needs Now" from the 2nd night for a minute and then it got old. I should watch it but there always seem something better to do. I thought it was an odd choice too. Another reason I should watch it.
 
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This whole article's a good read for its attempt to crack into the nut-meat of the Democratic Party, in the wake of this week's grand positioning; but I wanted to highlight the last few paragraphs, which really elaborate some of my misgivings:

Then, of course, there is the danger lurking even in an improbable, permanent success. There is the danger that a party without a clear program, a party that is invested first and foremost in competence, in management, in providing enough for almost anyone to buy in, can by its nature do nothing but manage society as it is. There is a danger that such a party, even with the best of intentions, will tilt toward the interests of the powerful. They always do. There is a danger that such a party will make progress not when it is just, but when it is palatable, that it will stand permanently for good intentions but against the risk and sacrifice required to bring about a nation that did not require so much ambient brutality—from violence, from capital, from empire—just to carry on, no matter the good intentions of its managers. That it will plod on, competent and reasonable, but no more. A hard-working technocrat saying “America is already great, I’m fighting for you,” forever, while some people remain hungry, and some people remain sick. While some people find themselves more accepted in America, and who are grateful for it, while others on the other side of the world are incinerated in the name of American freedom. Because it’s good enough, really, it’ll get a little better sometimes, be reasonable: This is how the world has to be.

“What is the central promise you took away from this convention, the core of what you can expect will be delivered when Hillary Clinton is elected president?” I asked Sarah Parrish, a Sanders delegate from Kansas.

She paused. “I don’t know if I can,” she said.
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jpx7 said:
This whole article's a good read for its attempt to crack into the nut-meat of the Democratic Party, in the wake of this week's grand positioning; but I wanted to highlight the last few paragraphs, which really elaborate some of my misgivings:
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I think that is a very cogent critique of the problem with the contemporary party—as was your own in the Gary Johnson thread—and, in reading both, I feel a lingering vicarious guilt for echoing some of the same sentiments outlined therein.

I suppose I lack the vision to see the benefit of the alternative, though. Ceasing to be an enabler of that particular problem is something, but it's hard to see doing so as anything other than simply opting out.
 
this from 538:

David Firestone 11:00 PM

She will never be the equal of her husband at the microphone, and she knows it. But it’s worth remembering that Bill Clinton got away with so much because he dazzled the public so easily. She will never have that luxury, and it may be that she has had to work harder because of it. Did Bill sweat the details, in the phrase she just used, over every piece of policy? I don’t think history bears that out — he was a politician, and a natural one; she is a policy wonk, and a natural one, and we may get to find out which personality type makes a more effective president.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/democratic-convention-day-four-2016-election/
 
Coulter's tweet wasn't that much more tacky than a portion of the DNC erupting in a "no more wars" chant while a medal of honor recipient who lost part of his leg was giving a speech.
 
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