DH Game 2 Thread

Braves1976 said:
You won't see them before the 5th knowing snit, maybe if Sanchez can go at least 5 tomorrow. But I am not sure what to expect with him and I don't have faith in snit not to use Allard if say Sanchez is out after 4 or something. But I am glad Folty went 8 putting only Sobotka as out tomorrow.
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"Knowin Snit"

Allard has pitched in 2 games, one starting, and the other with Sanchez coming out after 2. He's like the last guy to pitch.
 
Allard should be traded or turned into a loogy. Maybe he can create a few more MPH just throwing it as hard as he can as a reliever.

FFS, Bobby one year had John Foster throwing 88-90mph heat as his only Loogy in the pen on a division winning team. I used to have heart attacks when Bobby would throw Foster in there to pitch against Ryan Howard.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Allard should be traded or turned into a loogy. Maybe he can create a few more MPH just throwing it as hard as he can as a reliever.

FFS, Bobby one year had John Foster throwing 88-90mph heat as his only Loogy in the pen on a division winning team. I used to have heart attacks when Bobby would throw Foster in there to pitch against Ryan Howard.
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Foster was solid.
 
6-6, runners on 2nd/3rd now, 1 out, of course. Might not be the worst thing if Washington won though, Cards been scorching hot as of late.
 
Originally posted this in the wrong game thread...

Enscheff said:
I expect to see an amped up Touki throwing 97+ early, probably a bit wild...or maybe completely lights out filth.

I expect to see Touki settle in at ~94 with 9"+ VMov and ~5" arm side HMov on the FA.

I expect to see the CU have 7"+ of sink and ~3" of glove side movement, basically Fried's from the other side.

I expect to see Touki flash a CH vs LHHs that is good enough that we can dream on it, but only thrown a handful of times.

I expect to see wildness, but not the "miss the zone by 3 feet" kind we tend to see from Newk...typical 22 year old wildness.
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Touki threw 4 pitches 16+ times last night, so we can get a decent look at his arsenal. For some reason FG doesn't have the exact movement data available for his outing from yesterday that I usually use, but the data they do have posted should be in the ballpark. Since it isn't exact apples-to-apples comparisons, I won't give grades to the decimal point like usual.

FA: 93.8 mph (Grade 50+), 5.6" HMov (Grade 50+), 4.5" VMov (Grade 20)

This is a very odd pitch...a four seamer with off the charts rise so bad that it actually acts as a sinker. That 4.5" of "rise" actually grades out as a Grade 55 sink on a sinker. His spin rate of 2169 isn't great, but it doesn't explain this movement. Either the data is wrong, or something about his arm angle prevents his FA from getting anything even resembling rise. I don't even know how to grade this pitch based on statcast data.

SI: 93.2 mph (Grade 55), 9.0" HMov (Grade 55), 1.5" VMov (Grade 70+)

This pitch is nasty, pure and simple. Easily the best sinker on the roster. Above average velocity with plus-plus sink. This is a Grade 65+ pitch.

CU: 76.6 mph (Grade 40+), 8.6" HMov (Grade 75), -8.3" VMov (Grade 70)

We all saw it, and it was better than I hoped. The scary part is that these values represent the average of attempts at throwing a few diffrent curves. When he finds a consistent arm slot he could dial it in even more. As is, the data says it's a slowish pitch with plus-plus movement in both directions. I wanted to see Fried's 60/65 CU from the opposite side. Well, this thing is Fried's CU with an additional 4" run and 1" sink. This pitch is a Grade 70+.

FS: 8.1 mph delta (Grade 50+), 3.0" HMov (Grade 20), -0.7" VMov (Grade 70+)

So...this is another pitch with plus-plus sink. Compare to Gausman's Grade 65 FS (FS: 10.7 mph delta (Grade 64.4), 8.3" HMov (Grade 54.3), 1.0" VMov (Grade 65.8), this is a bit firmer with less run and more sink. I would probably hang a 60 on this pitch right now.

Command: We all saw him around the zone for the most part. We all saw him hang quite a few breaking balls and fail to locate arm side. FG has him at 40/45 command, and I agree that it is currently below average. I think he is young enough that he has a real chance to improve that command higher than the 45 future they give him. I would say it is 45 now, and he has the athleticism and youth to get it to 50+.

What is a guy with an unexplainable FA, a 65 SI, a 70 CU, a 60 FS, and below average control? It's a guy who's control determines how productive he is. If these numbers are accurate, Touki has serious weapons and he just needs to fine tune his control.

I can't believe the Braves got him for $5M...
 
Enscheff said:
Originally posted this in the wrong game thread...



Touki threw 4 pitches 16+ times last night, so we can get a decent look at his arsenal. For some reason FG doesn't have the exact movement data available for his outing from yesterday that I usually use, but the data they do have posted should be in the ballpark. Since it isn't exact apples-to-apples comparisons, I won't give grades to the decimal point like usual.

FA: 93.8 mph (Grade 50+), 5.6" HMov (Grade 50+), 4.5" VMov (Grade 20)

This is a very odd pitch...a four seamer with off the charts rise so bad that it actually acts as a sinker. That 4.5" of "rise" actually grades out as a Grade 55 sink on a sinker. His spin rate of 2169 isn't great, but it doesn't explain this movement. Either the data is wrong, or something about his arm angle prevents his FA from getting anything even resembling rise. I don't even know how to grade this pitch based on statcast data.

SI: 93.2 mph (Grade 55), 9.0" HMov (Grade 55), 1.5" VMov (Grade 70+)

This pitch is nasty, pure and simple. Easily the best sinker on the roster. Above average velocity with plus-plus sink. This is a Grade 65+ pitch.

CU: 76.6 mph (Grade 40+), 8.6" HMov (Grade 75), -8.3" VMov (Grade 70)

We all saw it, and it was better than I hoped. The scary part is that these values represent the average of attempts at throwing a few diffrent curves. When he finds a consistent arm slot he could dial it in even more. As is, the data says it's a slowish pitch with plus-plus movement in both directions. I wanted to see Fried's 60/65 CU from the opposite side. Well, this thing is Fried's CU with an additional 4" run and 1" sink. This pitch is a Grade 70+.

FS: 8.1 mph delta (Grade 50+), 3.0" HMov (Grade 20), -0.7" VMov (Grade 70+)

So...this is another pitch with plus-plus sink. Compare to Gausman's Grade 65 FS (FS: 10.7 mph delta (Grade 64.4), 8.3" HMov (Grade 54.3), 1.0" VMov (Grade 65.8), this is a bit firmer with less run and more sink. I would probably hang a 60 on this pitch right now.

Command: We all saw him around the zone for the most part. We all saw him hang quite a few breaking balls and fail to locate arm side. FG has him at 40/45 command, and I agree that it is currently below average. I think he is young enough that he has a real chance to improve that command higher than the 45 future they give him. I would say it is 45 now, and he has the athleticism and youth to get it to 50+.

What is a guy with an unexplainable FA, a 65 SI, a 70 CU, a 60 FS, and below average control? It's a guy who's control determines how productive he is. If these numbers are accurate, Touki has serious weapons and he just needs to fine tune his control.

I can't believe the Braves got him for $5M...
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Odd on the fb... I saw some really good looking pitches from it.
 
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