Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I don't think they are serious about Machado at short unless they get an extension out of him. If it looks like no extension he'll be back at third then traded
Discussion of Braves 2018 Offseason plans
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I don't think they are serious about Machado at short unless they get an extension out of him. If it looks like no extension he'll be back at third then traded
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
Draft pick loss only applies for contracts of 50 million or more.
Moose for 10 million this year, 30 million next year and team option for 9 million.
Moose for 10 million this year, 30 million next year and team option for 9 million.
Any team that signs Mous loses 1-2 picks, regardless the value of the contract.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
That’s not what buster olney reported. He said if less than 50 no pick
Freshmaker
Arbitration Eligible
Olney must've been referring to teams that lose a player who was extended a QO. Teams that sign such a player still lose a draft pick, but where it is varies based on team revenue. If a team is over the luxury tax they lose a 1st and 5th round pick (assuming they have no additional picks in between). Revenue-sharing recipients (like the Braves) lose their 3rd highest pick. So, signing Mouse would hurt us a lot less than many teams.
Relevant Link: https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-qualifying-offer-rules-explained/c-259650658
Relevant Link: https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-qualifying-offer-rules-explained/c-259650658
Olney is wrong either way. KC gets a pick no matter how much Mous gets. The pick is after the 1st round if greater than $50M, or after the 2nd round of under $50M.
The new rules are confusing, but I expect these writers who do this for a living to understand them.
Just another reason to ignore anything anyone at ESPN has to say about baseball.
KC gets (from Freshmakers post):
“Under the new rules, if the team that loses the free agent is a revenue-sharing recipient, based on its revenues and market size, then the selection -- if and only if the lost player signs for at least $50 million -- will be awarded a pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A of the 2018 MLB Draft. If the player signs for less than $50 million, the compensation pick for those teams would come after Competitive Balance Round B, which follows the second round.”
Braves lose:
“A non-market disqualified Revenue Sharing Payee Club shall forfeit its third highest remaining selection in the next Rule 4 Draft.”
They already lost their 3rd pick, so they will lose their 4th pick whether they sign Mous for $1 or $100M. If they can get him for ~$50M, it is probably a good enough bargain they need to seriously try to make it happen.
The new rules are confusing, but I expect these writers who do this for a living to understand them.
Just another reason to ignore anything anyone at ESPN has to say about baseball.
KC gets (from Freshmakers post):
“Under the new rules, if the team that loses the free agent is a revenue-sharing recipient, based on its revenues and market size, then the selection -- if and only if the lost player signs for at least $50 million -- will be awarded a pick between the first round and Competitive Balance Round A of the 2018 MLB Draft. If the player signs for less than $50 million, the compensation pick for those teams would come after Competitive Balance Round B, which follows the second round.”
Braves lose:
“A non-market disqualified Revenue Sharing Payee Club shall forfeit its third highest remaining selection in the next Rule 4 Draft.”
They already lost their 3rd pick, so they will lose their 4th pick whether they sign Mous for $1 or $100M. If they can get him for ~$50M, it is probably a good enough bargain they need to seriously try to make it happen.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I wonder if these unsigned guys wouldn't be better off waiting until after the draft to sign where attached comp goes away.
Think about it this way - teams spend millions of prospect capital to bring in needed help at the All-Star break (and before and after).
If a few of the high profile agents pulled together and got a field in Florida where their clients could play and keep sharp, then they may actually get their clients a better contract by waiting. You have basically three areas to draw from - the high end who aren't getting the contracts they think they deserve (Arrieta, Moustakas, Lynn, Cobb, etc.), the veteran guys with injury/performance concerns (Anderson, Melky Cabrera, Yunel Escobar, Clippard, Coghlan, Collmenter, Dickey, Duda, etc.) and the guys who are likely to only get a ST invite anyway and likely end up on some AAA team.
It would be like a developmental league for stars and injury rehabbers and AAAA last chancers.
The risk to the player (say a guy like Arrieta) is that he performs badly and ends up with a worse contract and/or he gets injured.
The concept is a bit like what Clemens did a few years ago but for different reasons.
Drew and morales tried this already. It didn’t work out well for them. Both ended up signing 1 year deals for less than the QO they turned down.
Nobody has done it since, for good reason.
There will be enough pitchers injured in ST that all of Arrieta, Lynn, Cobb and Holland should find acceptable multi year deals. Teams like the Twins and Brewers still need to add to the rotation, and have the means to do so.
I have no idea where Mous will end up though.
Why doesn't he think we can afford more than 5 million this year?
The last sentence was my opinion. I'm confident they can't afford $10M for 2018, but I don't know how little room they have, and $5M could very well be too much as well.
I hope the Braves are at least talking or have talked to Mous about this.
We know for certain the Braves are restricted to back loaded deals, so it stands to reason they let Mous know all about it.
What they can afford for 2018 is a guess, but we know for sure it's less than $10M. It may be less than $5M after we saw what Maybin signed for.
What they can afford for 2018 is a guess, but we know for sure it's less than $10M. It may be less than $5M after we saw what Maybin signed for.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
The market must be nothing for Teheran. Otherwise trade him, sign Mous at a discount to take advantage of the market and replace Teheran with a retread until another of the young guys are ready.
The Braves could also dump the cash they've spent on fungible arms like Brothers, Moylan and Whitley to get closer to enough cash to pay Mous in 2018. They may be completely tapped out for 2018 at $107M plus whatever they are setting aside for Kazmir's deferred money. Hard to say right now.
Remember when folks said the $10M in value the Braves potentially threw away by promoting Swanson and Albies means nothing? Well guess what? The Braves aren't signing Mous at a bargain right now because they don't have an extra $10M available to spend. Signing Markakis to post 1-2 WAR for a losing team is directly responsible for the Braves not having Mous to contribute to a team that may actually be competitive.
All these sub-optimal moves add up and make the team worse over time. The previous FO made about one sub-optimal move per year, and now here we are...no money to spend on a 3B that will likely sign for a huge bargain while the Braves project to get barely better than replacement level production at the position.
Horsehide Harry
<B>Mr. Free Trade</B>
I personally think the sub optimal moves equated to more like 3 per year on average from an overall POV.
Albies and Swanson are making $10 million this year???
Wow, my spreadsheet's WAAAAAAYYY off.
Somebody needs to get Cot's - and more importantly the Braves' accountants on the horn so they'll tell AA he needs to dump SEVERAL players.
As usual you are so stupid you completely missed the point.
The early promotions of those players will likely cost the Braves in 5-6 years, and could cause them to miss out on signing a player just like the Markakis contract is forcing them to miss out on a Mous bargain now.
Please, try to keep up dum dum.
sturg33
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Your lack of critical thinking is alarming
sturg33
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It always amazed me when people shrugged off the early promotion as "just $10M - not a big deal"... not realizing that cash-strapped teams like us need every nickel we can get.
That Markakis contract is still biting us